Alaska Fleet Plan for 2013/2014

[ImbracableCrunk]

Unfortunately we on the line will be blamed when flights are canx due to lack of crews!

They better hurry up get get those RJs on line! Remember adding pilots is the last resort.

 

[Boxboy]

They better hurry up get get those RJs on line! Remember adding pilots is the last resort.

It's all part of the plan.

 

[flythere]

It's all part of the plan.

That's true, they (management) will want as many of those RJ's with non-AS pilots flying by 2015 or so. I figure if they get a 4 or 5 yr contract inked this year, that would put us into 2018. What's coincidental with that? Well, remember they want all of the -400's and -700's gone by then, so we will be an all -800/900 fleet.

Next contract in 2017/2018 management will want concessions on wages, because they will give them up on this (2013 contract). As leverage, they will give all of the short-range flying (bay area, LA maybe even SAN to those smaller contract carriers) with the exception of repo ETOP's airplanes, which would be one or two flights a day in those markets.

That will be their whip-saw to get reduced rates out of us. For that reason, it is critical that we get some-type of scope language this time around! We screwed the pooch last time. Last time around the camel had his nose in the tent, now that same camel is at the buffet table chow'in down!!

Unfortunately the guys with 6 yrs or less could care less about scope! The only thing they see is $$$$$ for their last 5 yrs and they are out! The rest of us, with more than 6 yrs are looking long term at scope protection.

How many geezers last time around said they would never bring in contract airplanes!!

 

[Old School 737]

Company openers are out ! They want a six year deal!!

And a call in well program .. And a partial vacation sellback .. Modest insurance increase of payments ...

 

[Boxboy]

Company openers are out ! They want a six year deal!!

And a call in well program .. And a partial vacation sellback .. Modest insurance increase of payments ...

Get ready, fight's on! Hope ya'll saved for the rainy day. I see 75-80 hour months coming very soon. Ouch!

 

[igneousy2]

What is a "call in well" program.

I also noticed a TDY program.

 

[Mookie]

Where did y'all see it?

Mookie

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Company section 6 openers attached to the alamec fast read.

I can only imagine that calling in well means, if you call in sick before a multi-day trip, you could call scheduling on a consequent day to catch up with your trip. The complicating factor is if your trip never touches your base again. Who is responsible to get you into position. Iirc, at Skywest, if you called in well on say, day two, you basically had to travel space available to catch up. It wasn't very appealing.

 

[Old School 737]

Get ready, fight's on! Hope ya'll saved for the rainy day. I see 75-80 hour months coming very soon. Ouch!

I don't mind flying less if the pay rates are good.. 80hr of block paying what 90 used to that what we want !! Right ??

 

[Boxboy]

I don't mind flying less if the pay rates are good.. 80hr of block paying what 90 used to that what we want !! Right ??

I'm with you on being able to work less due to higher pay. What I meant by flying 75-80 hours was IF we don't get a contract by 1 April, you know what I mean?

 

[Old School 737]

I'm with you on being able to work less due to higher pay. What I meant by flying 75-80 hours was IF we don't get a contract by 1 April, you know what I mean?

Oh !!! Yea all these guys passing out due to over working as well !!!!

 

[NWaviator]

Company section 6 openers attached to the alamec fast read.

I can only imagine that calling in well means, if you call in sick before a multi-day trip, you could call scheduling on a consequent day to catch up with your trip. The complicating factor is if your trip never touches your base again. Who is responsible to get you into position. Iirc, at Skywest, if you called in well on say, day two, you basically had to travel space available to catch up. It wasn't very appealing.

We have this at QX. Personally I like it, you will save a boatload of sicktime. If you call in sick for a 1 leg SEA-SFO and feel better the next day pick it up once it gets back to SEA. You are only charged the 4 hours or whatever that credit is. Next you work the remainder of the trip, if you feel well. If you were to call in for a 4 day trip that would be 24 hours of sick time used. I would have to read your language to give a full opinon but that is the way it works at QX.

 

[Old School 737]

We have this at QX. Personally I like it, you will save a boatload of sicktime. If you call in sick for a 1 leg SEA-SFO and feel better the next day pick it up once it gets back to SEA. You are only charged the 4 hours or whatever that credit is. Next you work the remainder of the trip, if you feel well. If you were to call in for a 4 day trip that would be 24 hours of sick time used. I would have to read your language to give a full opinon but that is the way it works at QX.

I think we tried to get this last time and the Co said no ???!! Now they want it ??? Prob cause they know guys call sick cause they can't get any trades .... And when you only need like 3 hours off on first day and that day for day trade was denied for lack of zone coverage .... Mmm

 

[igneousy2]

We have this at QX. Personally I like it, you will save a boatload of sicktime. If you call in sick for a 1 leg SEA-SFO and feel better the next day pick it up once it gets back to SEA. You are only charged the 4 hours or whatever that credit is. Next you work the remainder of the trip, if you feel well. If you were to call in for a 4 day trip that would be 24 hours of sick time used. I would have to read your language to give a full opinon but that is the way it works at QX.

Okay...then it sounds like it requires the company to have less pilots. It's a no for me. Alaska pilots already don't call in sick enough. Every-other trip I seem to be with a sick Captain.

For me personally...once I get a "sick occurance"...i'm getting a "SICK OCCURANCE" since whether it's one turn on the first day or a whole 4 day trip, it's still a sick occurance...and I wouldn't want to risk a relapse by returning to work pre-maturely.

 

[flythere]

Okay...then it sounds like it requires the company to have less pilots. It's a no for me. Alaska pilots already don't call in sick enough. Every-other trip I seem to be with a sick Captain.

For me personally...once I get a "sick occurance"...i'm getting a "SICK OCCURANCE" since whether it's one turn on the first day or a whole 4 day trip, it's still a sick occurance...and I wouldn't want to risk a relapse by returning to work pre-maturely.

I'm with you, I don't think you should be going back to work early if you are not feeling well! Besides, if it's something they want, how can it be good for us???

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Okay...then it sounds like it requires the company to have less pilots. It's a no for me. Alaska pilots already don't call in sick enough. Every-other trip I seem to be with a sick Captain.

For me personally...once I get a "sick occurance"...i'm getting a "SICK OCCURANCE" since whether it's one turn on the first day or a whole 4 day trip, it's still a sick occurance...and I wouldn't want to risk a relapse by returning to work pre-maturely.

Why do you assume calling in well would require fewer pilots? It's not that different than sick leave make up. Either way, the choice is yours when and how you want to go back to work. Sometimes you only need a day or two to recoup. As it is now, you have to call out for a whole trip. When you feel better, if you want to protect your sick bank, you have to pick up or roll the dice with sick leave make up.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I know this is heresy to some, but it could be there are a few items that could be good for both sides.

I like the idea of calling in well, but I think reserves will get called up for a lot more turns and DHs.

 

[NWaviator]

Here is another example: Your kid has a doctors apmt the morning of day 1 of a 4 day trip. You can't get it off to reserve coverage do you really want to burn a 4 day trip just because you need to take your kid to the doc on the morning of day one?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Here is another example: Your kid has a doctors apmt the morning of day 1 of a 4 day trip. You can't get it off to reserve coverage do you really want to burn a 4 day trip just because you need to take your kid to the doc on the morning of day one?

Yeah, it'd be good for some child-related things.

I think Reserve life would get a lot more chaotic. I think they'd pull the trigger on Airport Reserves. . .

 

[NWaviator]

But this is surely a small issue compared to your fight for SCOPE.