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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwests-4q-profit-slips-higher-122155406.html

Southwest's 4Q profit slips on higher costs
Despite higher fares, Southwest Airlines 4Q profit drops to $78 million on increased costs

By David Koenig, AP Airlines Writer | Associated Press*****–*****3 hours ago
DALLAS (AP) -- Southwest Airlines Co. says fourth-quarter earnings fell by nearly half on higher spending for fuel, labor and maintenance.
The airline's revenue rose slightly, however, as the average fare climbed almost $8 higher than a year ago.
Southwest also said that bookings for the first three months of 2013 look strong. It said that based on bookings and ticket prices so far, a key revenue measure should rise by 2 percent to 3 percent in January compared with the same month last year.
Southwest, the nation's fourth-biggest airline, said Thursday that net income was $78 million, or 11 cents per share. That's down from $152 million, or 20 cents per share, a year earlier.
Excluding items such as fuel contracts, the net income would have been 9 cents per share, beating the 7-cents-per-share forecast among analysts surveyed by FactSet.
Revenue ticked up 1.6 percent to $4.17 billion but fell short of the $4.20 billion that analysts expected.
Expenses rose faster, however, by 3.1 percent. That includes a 4.5 percent increase in labor costs and a 13 percent jump in maintenance as the airline continued to overhaul the cabins inside many of its planes.
Spending on fuel, the airline's biggest expense, rose a modest 0.7 percent. Southwest estimated that its fuel bill in the first quarter, which ends March 31, will drop to $3.30 per gallon from $3.44 in the first quarter of 2012, which CEO Gary Kelly called "an encouraging trend."
The average fourth-quarter fare on Southwest and its AirTran Airways subsidiary was $148.02, up 5.4 percent from $140.38 a year earlier.
Passengers flew 1.4 percent fewer miles on Southwest than a year earlier, and planes were less full — 79.6 percent occupancy, down from 80.5 percent.
For all of 2012, Southwest earned $421 million, up from $178 million the year before and its 40th straight profitable year, which Kelly said was "a remarkable feat and a record unmatched in the airline industry."
 
Received well by Wall Street. All airlines doing well the last 3-6 months. I think 2013 earning are going to be good as well.
 
Southwest Airlines (excluding one-time items):

$330 million net profit for 2011
$417 million net profit for 2012
$725 million net profit for 2013 (average of 18 Wall Street analysts estimates)

Southwest is doomed!
 
Southwest Airlines (excluding one-time items):

$330 million net profit for 2011
$417 million net profit for 2012
$725 million net profit for 2013 (average of 18 Wall Street analysts estimates)

Southwest is doomed!

When Mike "Lorenzo" V D V sends a letter out this week saying we cost to much he will be screaming the sky Is falling! But we don't need single engine taxi because it won't save money...and in the latest news the director of light bulb operation has been promoted to the VP of Staplers and is receiving a salary of $975,000.
 
When Mike "Lorenzo" V D V sends a letter out this week saying we cost to much he will be screaming the sky Is falling! But we don't need single engine taxi because it won't save money...and in the latest news the director of light bulb operation has been promoted to the VP of Staplers and is receiving a salary of $975,000.


I hope yor kidding , I interviewed for that job and I am waiting to hear if I got . :)
 
So what will profit sharing look like this year? Is it some derived formula that they have to plug into the supercomputer and wait a month until it spits out a numerical value?
 
Our operating profit was down a little versus 2011 while our net profit was up a little. I would guess our profit sharing percentage will be 3% (the 2011 amount) +/- 1%. I think we find out within the next 2-3 weeks.
 
So what will profit sharing look like this year? Is it some derived formula that they have to plug into the supercomputer and wait a month until it spits out a numerical value?


It is a formula. They usually announce the amount during one of the Mesaage to the Fields, which is right around the corner. It gets funded in September every year.
 
SWA profits off its own pilots every time they force them to buy their own type ratings. They better be making money.
 
Defensive are we?

If you didn't pay for the 737 type, that means you got it from somewhere else, either another airline, through one of those scholarships, or won it in a raffle.

Fact remains, despite SWA's ever historical profitability, they make pilots obtain their own 737 types beforehand, whereas every other airline takes care of that when you're hired. Not an ultimatum that you have 6 months to go obtain it...

So why are you defensive about this practice?
 
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Defensive are we?

If you didn't pay for the 737 type, that means you got it from somewhere else, either another airline, through one of those scholarships, or won it in a raffle.

Fact remains, despite SWA's ever historical profitability, they make pilots obtain their own 737 types beforehand, whereas every other airline takes care of that when you're hired. Not an ultimatum that you have 6 months to go obtain it...

So why are you defensive about this practice?

That's a clown question bro, as any SANE pilot would notice, your first year pay would be $53,352 at SWA's 78 hour guarantee or $36,960 at VA's 70 hour guarantee. Most would gladly pay the $7,000 to get on the right list. Of course you would upgrade faster at VA and bring home a minimum of $103,320 as a Captain in your 4th year pay. And that guy who went to SWA would still be an FO only bringing in a minimum of $111,384. So yeah, I guess many are defensive when it comes to explaining the reasoning behind paying for your own type rating. If it has to be explained to you, you obviously have no clue on how you research an airline for possible employment. That, or you interviewed and were rejected. My guess is both.
 
That's a clown question bro, as any SANE pilot would notice, your first year pay would be $53,352 at SWA's 78 hour guarantee or $36,960 at VA's 70 hour guarantee. Most would gladly pay the $7,000 to get on the right list. Of course you would upgrade faster at VA and bring home a minimum of $103,320 as a Captain in your 4th year pay. And that guy who went to SWA would still be an FO only bringing in a minimum of $111,384. So yeah, I guess many are defensive when it comes to explaining the reasoning behind paying for your own type rating. If it has to be explained to you, you obviously have no clue on how you research an airline for possible employment. That, or you interviewed and were rejected. My guess is both.

So the excuse is higher pay than VX? Why are you comparing a legacy SWA to a new entrant LCC? Why not compare yourself to United and Delta? They too have comparable rates for the 737, yet, don't require you to bring your own rating. And not to mention, even if your excuse is valid, the pay thing is only valid post 9/11, in the last 10 years. That was when legacy carriers took concessionary contracts and SWA didn't. But prior to 9/11, and throughout its existence, SWA was the bottom barrel in 737 pay and still required a pilot to obtain their own 737 type rating. So what's your excuse then?
 
But prior to 9/11, and throughout its existence, SWA was the bottom barrel in 737 pay and still required a pilot to obtain their own 737 type rating. So what's your excuse then?


I will put a SWA captain W2 against any other airline you pick prior to 2001.

You do not know what you a talking about. Just another SWA, hater.


PLC.... I know, I know I have a small johnson :)
 

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