Attention UAL yes voters!

[talespin]

3 reasons. Pilot unity. Arbitrated SLI that is now somewhat fairer as it could have been a windfall for CAL guys. In house union can start much sooner. The contract is not perfect but waiting for the unknown is not wise at this time.

Yuppy the TPA went out the window when the MEC's brought us a TA. The 737's on order could have gone to the LUAL pilots if the contract was voted down. Really it was risky either way for both groups because mangment always has angle. By the way, what in house union are you speaking of?

 

[Continental]

3 reasons. Pilot unity. Arbitrated SLI that is now somewhat fairer as it could have been a windfall for CAL guys. In house union can start much sooner. The contract is not perfect but waiting for the unknown is not wise at this time.

Whatever. I hope your recieve only the worst of this contract every day. I hope scheduling/pbs tears you a new one every month. Denial mode 1-9 get used to it. Merry Christmas

 

[airksk]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

Overall solution constraints. That's why you'll be working holidays for the next decade, while somebody junior to you is at home.

So congratulations, you bought into the fear and get to eat the turd that we've been dealing with because of your paranoid fantasies.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Look at post number one and the number 1 bullet point. That is all CAL was worried about.

He's talking about your future PBS bid award result.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Anybody know about the timing of the first installment of retro pay for sCAL and sUAL? Two sources in SFO told me today sUAL will be this month and sCAL will be in Feb.

 

[jbDC9]

Spoken like a true no voter. Go back to watching your cartoons kiddo. Happy Saturday

Dude, quit being such a dooshbag. I'm an adult, don't watch cartoons and I voted NO.

Really, reading your drivel on here is just annoying; we get it, you voted yes and are proud of it, but you come off as a self righteous and preachy with your stupid "No voter, heathen!" crap. Give it a rest moron.

The contract is not perfect but waiting for the unknown is not wise at this time.

We'll get it next time! Yeah, good luck with that... I've been here at CAL for 15 years waiting for that "better next time" moment and it just never happens.

 

[HelloNewman]

I knew this would be an easy pass. I am still laughing at the guys who actually thought we could keep 50 seat only scope. It would have been nice but was not possible. At least we get a good pay raise.

 

[five-alive]

The only consolation is the yes voters will burn in their own flames. I hope PBS opens a can of whoop ass every month on these brain surgeons.

 

[HelloNewman]

So many drama queens out here

 

[chppr5]

ALL of you need to get over it, it is what it is. The vote is over we need to stand as one group and fly to the letter of the contract.
- DO NOT WAIVE ANYTHING!
- Do not do favors.
- JM'd ? You are fatigued.
- Fly by the book, no more, no less.
- Know the contract
We can get more done as 12000 strong and no TRO. Smallsac LOVES this bickering. Both sides has their ****************************** bags and most are on this thread. I was a NO but I got over it by noon. We need to unite and set a precedent of flying to the letter of the contract. I'm stepping off my soap box now. Continue with the childish banter.

 

[eaglesview]

ALL of you need to get over it, it is what it is. The vote is over we need to stand as one group and fly to the letter of the contract.
- DO NOT WAIVE ANYTHING!
- Do not do favors.
- JM'd ? You are fatigued.
- Fly by the book, no more, no less.
- Know the contract
We can get more done as 12000 strong and no TRO. Smallsac LOVES this bickering. Both sides has their ****************************** bags and most are on this thread. I was a NO but I got over it by noon. We need to unite and set a precedent of flying to the letter of the contract. I'm stepping off my soap box now. Continue with the childish banter.

1000% correct.

 

[Bringupthebird]

PBS honors seniority unless by doing so makes a junior pilot illegal. It's not the boogeyman you paint.

 

[SimHo]

PBS honors seniority unless by doing so makes a junior pilot illegal. It's not the boogeyman you paint.

BULLS#!T What rock have you been living under. It never has and never will honor seniority.

 

[Bringupthebird]

BULLS#!T What rock have you been living under. It never has and never will honor seniority.

I've only worked under it for 10 years,that's all. How long have you been using it?

 

[jbDC9]

I've only worked under it for 10 years,that's all. How long have you been using it?

At what airline? Not CAL, we haven't been using PBS for 10 years. If you've not been using the CAL PBS system for the last 10 years, how can you comment on it?

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Some terms you might want to familiarize yourself with:

1.Seniority within feasibility

2.Fly Now, Grieve Later

3.Right-size equipment to market

Enjoy the next 8 years!

Completely ignorant. The reason our PBS sucked during contract 02 had nothing to do with our PBS program. It had everything to so with no work rules, no rule set for the program to follow. Our PBS program is superior to what UAL currently uses. Their work rules and rule set far exceeded ours. May be you can study the contract now that it passed. No fly now and grieve later. No Its called "order to fly", learn the contract. Or you can just continue with your ignorance doesn't matter to me. Maybe you might want to contact EAP for your anger management issues!

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

PBS honors seniority unless by doing so makes a junior pilot illegal. It's not the boogeyman you paint.

You obviously do not fly under CAL's PBS-you know, the version we will all be using? It most certainly does NOT honor seniority unless you are in the top 5%.

Not all PBS systems are created equal-as you are sure to find out soon if you are LUAL. In fact, you just helped the original poster make his point.

 

[Bringupthebird]

AWA has had PBS in their contact since 95 but it wasn't turned on until 99/00 or thereabouts. PBS has to crank out a legal solution to the bid and in order to do so seniority may very occasionally be sacrificed so that it can prvide that solution. How occasionally is a function of the quality of the contract.

 

[Flopgut]

AWA has had PBS in their contact since 95 but it wasn't turned on until 99/00 or thereabouts. PBS has to crank out a legal solution to the bid and in order to do so seniority may very occasionally be sacrificed so that it can prvide that solution. How occasionally is a function of the quality of the contract.

You are not helping at all. Not in the least. Please excuse yourself...

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Completely ignorant. The reason our PBS sucked during contract 02 had nothing to do with our PBS program. It had everything to so with no work rules, no rule set for the program to follow. Our PBS program is superior to what UAL currently uses. Their work rules and rule set far exceeded ours. May be you can study the contract now that it passed. No fly now and grieve later. No Its called "order to fly", learn the contract. Or you can just continue with your ignorance doesn't matter to me. Maybe you might want to contact EAP for your anger management issues!

I did read the contract, cover to cover. I had a list of about 30 questions to ask at the roadshow, but could only ask two. Honestly, I hope everything you and our union says about the contract turns out to be true, and all of the reasons the no voters voted no turn out to be false. If that is the case then I agree that the contract will be a great improvement over POS '02, even with the lingering bad taste in my mouth from being sold out on retro (no where near the pay differential between us and DAL for B-scale pilots) and 757 rates that do not even match their 2015 rates in 2017.