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*************************in Delta.....We all knew this day would come. This is payback for the Strike! Sorry for all my brothers and sisters still there. Every 121 pilot today should realize and appreciate the actions of this pilot group.
 
msmb said:
*************************in Delta.....We all knew this day would come. This is payback for the Strike! Sorry for all my brothers and sisters still there. Every 121 pilot today should realize and appreciate the actions of this pilot group.
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Come on-it's been 11 years since the strike, do you really think this is payback for that? Sorry to see Comair go, but I think it's just the fact that they have a really senior pilot group and old 50 seaters, so they cost more.
 
I have a hard time believing senior management at any Fortune 100 company making decisions valued at 10's of millions of dollars allow personal grudges to be a factor.. I think it's simply a bean-counter decision. Best of luck to all involved.
 
I think the EE decided to kill them the moment they went on strike. They make decisions based on what they want instead of what's best for the shareholders all the time.
 
Pure economics, just another example of one regional undercutting another. The race to the bottom continues. Go Jet will get the flying cause they'll do it cheaper. They probably think it's a good day.
 
GogglesPisano said:
I have a hard time believing senior management at any Fortune 100 company making decisions valued at 10's of millions of dollars allow personal grudges to be a factor.. I think it's simply a bean-counter decision. Best of luck to all involved.
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1/2 Billion in profit and paying $5.50 a gallon for gas, and you think this is just bidness? Payback pure and simple.
 
eaglesview said:
Pure economics, just another example of one regional undercutting another. The race to the bottom continues. Go Jet will get the flying cause they'll do it cheaper. They probably think it's a good day.
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They probably won't get it as they don't have an 50's to trade for. My guess is Pinnacle with a 2 for 1 on their newly contracted 50's or Skywest or ASA at a 2 for 1 or maybe a 1 for 1 (if they're lucky).
 
Doubt that its "payback"

Look at the broader issues DAL has.

-SKW playing hard ball and not wanting to renegotiate their CPA's.

-9E in CH11 with a deal of 1-1 on 50's for 70's.

-SKW tying up the majority of the CR7's that 9E would have gotten to swap out 50's that would then replace OO's and EV's aging 50 fleet.

-Not enough 76 seat jets gotten to just do a 1:1 swap out with 9E.

The math does not work. They will either take the OH jets and use them to swap out with 9E and others, or are pulling down OH so that it is completely shuttered when they buy 9E. If that happens the CH11 CPA is effectively null and they can then pull down 9E as they see fit without worrying about SKW/EV's 70's for the swap out. They will then be able to swap the 9E 50's to SKW for the balance of their CPA. (one possibility)

The other is they are cleaning their balance sheet with good will write-offs before an acquisition.

The last, is that a possible acquisition my have their own wholly owned operation and DAL is preemptively dealing with any chance of a PID.
 
PBRstreetgang said:
1/2 Billion in profit and paying $5.50 a gallon for gas, and you think this is just bidness? Payback pure and simple.
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Except the guy making desision now wasn't around 11 years ago and guy managers like RA could care leess about something that's behind them even if the had been involved.
 
Whipsaw market subverting seniority.
And yes- a bit of payback- but competitive forces also- if any group gets too strong there's no motivation for delta to contract with them.
RIP comair- a lot of great pilots there-
The lesson, there is no security in any regional- not comair, not skywest, no gojets.
This is why I rant against outsourcing. This makes me sick guys- sorry
 
Sorry to hear guys/gals, whatever the reason may be. Best of luck to you all!!!
 
I'm sure Delta will offer preferential interviews to Comair pilots, right?

Right?

........is this thing on?

Anyone?

Buehler?
 
Sorry, Comair guys.. You were really trailblazers for us in the regional industry (wages, equipment, safety).. You've got a lot of top-notch folks there. Good luck going forward. And thanks for the Jumpseat a few times.
 
This sucks but as of December 16 (I think) all airlines will be pooping out the geezers so if someone wants to stay in this job there will be opportunity.
 
Just shows you never know in this business, we had guys leave us for Comair five years ago, they would be DC9 CA's now making about 100K/yr. Just like the guys who jumped from SWA in 2001 for the dream job at DAL. So much for an industry leading contract.
 
GogglesPisano said:
I have a hard time believing senior management at any Fortune 100 company making decisions valued at 10's of millions of dollars allow personal grudges to be a factor.. I think it's simply a bean-counter decision. Best of luck to all involved.
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Believe it, Coke's decision to buy the bottler CCE was the result of a pi$$ing match between some Coke VP and the CCE president. Happens more than you would like to believe.

It has been 11 years and new mgmt, this might be different but it still happens.
 
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The last, is that a possible acquisition my have their own wholly owned operation and DAL is preemptively dealing with any chance of a PID.
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I doubt DAL MGT worries about a PID, it has zero bearing on MGT and can't force a integrated SLI.

Lots of moving parts in the regional world, DAL will ultimately get what they want with regards to aircraft swap outs.
 
Man, this just really sucks for the employees and families of the CMR group...

Safe landings, ladies and gents. :(
 
FDJ2 said:
Lots of moving parts in the regional world, DAL will ultimately get what they want with regards to aircraft swap outs.
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Sure would be nice if the Delta MEC would step up to the plate and help out these CMR pilots with preferential treatment for DAL jobs when hiring starts back up.....
 

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