I find that type of attitude a sad premonition for the future of your merger with XJT

[Nevets]

And it just so happens to be self serving in your case... What a coincidence!! Whew, thanks for posting a confidential letter on a public forum so I can turn against my own MEC. Really, your methods suck beyond all comprehension. I'll stick with my own, thanks for trying. The difference between you and me is that I expect you to support your side of the fence and I don't take cheap shots to try and undermine that. Good luck, I really mean that.

Thanks, I mean that. If having an alternate and a second alternate is self serving, then I'm guilty as charged. You are so caught up in me that you don't see the what is right in front of you. Just think...

 

[asa rat]

They did their due diligence 2 years ago and determined that Flightline was the best vendor for ASA. They then spent the better part of a year implementing the work rules they negotiated for that system. Is it really that surprising that they don't want to blow it all up now because the ERJ side is excited about a different vendor?

^^^^^^
What he said.

nevets - I still don't see you posting facts on how smartpref is so much better than Flightline, but there seems to be plenty of innuendo from your posts. You did state you had reviewed both systems, enlighten us.

 

[JumpersAway]

Thanks, I mean that. If having an alternate and a second alternate is self serving, then I'm guilty as charged. You are so caught up in me that you don't see the what is right in front of you. Just think...

Firstly, the posted letter is chocked full of "whine". Secondly- well, he is from Continental and People's Express. That sums up the picture quite nicely................scumbag right off the start.

It's good to see that you recklessly yank the wheel due to your plan b and c. Frankly, I think you're bluffing, because if it were that good, you'd be gone to b or c already. I laugh because you seem to have a distored view that YOUR view is the right one, with no consideration, or even respect for anyone else's view. At the very least, you have no respect or consideration for those who may not be as fortunate to have a plan B, or C, in which case that just makes you an @$$.

 

[irija]

I like test driving EVERYTHING. It would have been great if materials would have been handed out and if SmartPref came in and distributed their information to the rest of the ASA pilots. I mean, why not? Why couldn't the ASA MEC go and educate us more. If they love Flica's PBS that much more, come up with a two column spreadsheet and show us. You like to make spreadsheets so much as it is. Put the other side down and silence them but instead you yourself remain silent.

I like knowing all the options out there and understanding the bigger picture. I guess that there's only a few pilots though out that that really do care. The whole process is a disappointment. It doesn't matter what side you're one. Just my two cents. I'm really frustrated.

 

[Nevets]

Firstly, the posted letter is chocked full of "whine". Secondly- well, he is from Continental and People's Express. That sums up the picture quite nicely................scumbag right off the start.

It's good to see that you recklessly yank the wheel due to your plan b and c. Frankly, I think you're bluffing, because if it were that good, you'd be gone to b or c already. I laugh because you seem to have a distored view that YOUR view is the right one, with no consideration, or even respect for anyone else's view. At the very least, you have no respect or consideration for those who may not be as fortunate to have a plan B, or C, in which case that just makes you an @$$.

My plan B and C are not my first choice, obviously. But I have them because I refuse to be beholden and part of the race to the bottom. I am compassionate but also believe in personal responsibility. Don't count on others to do things for you. But hopefully if we fall on our face, there will be someone offering a hand.

 

[Whydoitry]

I like test driving EVERYTHING. It would have been great if materials would have been handed out and if SmartPref came in and distributed their information to the rest of the ASA pilots. I mean, why not? Why couldn't the ASA MEC go and educate us more. If they love Flica's PBS that much more, come up with a two column spreadsheet and show us. You like to make spreadsheets so much as it is. Put the other side down and silence them but instead you yourself remain silent.

I like knowing all the options out there and understanding the bigger picture. I guess that there's only a few pilots though out that that really do care. The whole process is a disappointment. It doesn't matter what side you're one. Just my two cents. I'm really frustrated.

I'm from the XJT side, and I am with you. Let's see all three systems side by side with both of our pairings. I am very suspicious of the ASA MEC just because the don't seem to want to engage in this debate, whereas the XJT MEC is at least looking at PBS systems despite the fact that most XJT pilots tend to be against it. I want the best possible system, contract and work rules, I don't care whose contract or side they come from.

 

[JumpersAway]

My plan B and C are not my first choice, obviously. But I have them because I refuse to be beholden and part of the race to the bottom. I am compassionate but also believe in personal responsibility. Don't count on others to do things for you. But hopefully if we fall on our face, there will be someone offering a hand.

Nobody offers a hand in this business, and the sooner you realize that, or better yet- recognize it, the better for yourself. Actually, in this case, better off for everybody.

 

[centralpilot]

Two years ago? What about doing due diligence again taking into consideration new facts and realities?

Did Crewing Solutions land a real customer or change SmartPref in any significant way in the past two years? Do you really want us to be the beta testers?

 

[nerjdriver]

Again.. Whatever.


We like our system for bidding. Why waste negotiating capital to fix what isn't broke?

Ditto

 

[centralpilot]

I think it's ridiculous to consider a completely new solution inside of a new, joint contract. Period. There, I said it. Why? Because we will not have the opportunity to fix the flaws (and there will be flaws) until the next contract. Either take the existing ASA PBS solution and attempt to make corrections or take the existing XJet Line bidding solution and attempt to make it better.

That right there. I think this is a big reason that the CRJ side is resistant to a new vendor. The whole plan with the PBS LOA was to get a system with favorable work rules, find any problems, then fix them in Section 6. Switching to a new, untested system for the JCBA would eliminate the chance to react to unforeseen problems. The next opportunity to fix problems may be quite far off.

 

[dojetdriver]

We like our system for bidding. Why waste negotiating capital to fix what isn't broke?

And that's cool for the CRJ side. It's better than the line bid system the CRJ had, but NOT better than the line bid system that XJT currently uses. The facts have been out, the CRJ PBS is a concession for the ERJ side. So even though the CRJ side like it's because it conforms to the inferior CBA, what makes you think that the almost 3000 ERJ pilots will like it?

They did their due diligence 2 years ago and determined that Flightline was the best vendor for ASA.

ERJ side had to do their due diligence and explore PBS since the CRJ side has it going forward in a JCBA. The REAL question is, did the CRJ side do their due diligence to explore the ERJ line bid/work rule system?

 

[goahead]

Blah Blah Blah

 

[JoeMerchant]

Then dont take my advice. I can give a rat's a$$ if you dont! Anyway, I like to think of myself as our version of JoeMerchant, no offense.

Well we do both support the fair tax....

Anyway, I'm glad you posted that letter Nevets...It made me even more sure that I don't want smartpref and I know support my MEC even more.

1. It proves that our MEC did look at smartpref to try and appease your MEC.
2. I wouldn't buy a bottle of water in the middle of the desert from that snake oil salesman....Peoples Express to Continental....really? One thing "gyro" knows how to do is write a whiny letter....
3. Nobody else has bought his system...does he write the same whiny letters to them too?

Thanks for posting.....:beer:

 

[Nevets]

Did Crewing Solutions land a real customer or change SmartPref in any significant way in the past two years? Do you really want us to be the beta testers?

Yes and yes.

 

[Nevets]

Well we do both support the fair tax....

Anyway, I'm glad you posted that letter Nevets...It made me even more sure that I don't want smartpref and I know support my MEC even more.

1. It proves that our MEC did look at smartpref to try and appease your MEC.
2. I wouldn't buy a bottle of water in the middle of the desert from that snake oil salesman....Peoples Express to Continental....really? One thing "gyro" knows how to do is write a whiny letter....
3. Nobody else has bought his system...does he write the same whiny letters to them too?

Thanks for posting.....:beer:

They pretended to look at it and used any and all excuses to get out of looking at it any further. Did you MEC run their pairings through smartpref? Did they tell you about all this new research they supposedly did when meeting with these guys back in December? Why not? Because they have nothing to report other than that they only pretended to look at it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

They pretended to look at it and used any and all excuses to get out of looking at it any further. Did you MEC run their pairings through smartpref? Did they tell you about all this new research they supposedly did when meeting with these guys back in December? Why not? Because they have nothing to report other than that they only pretended to look at it.

Our MEC looked at it several years ago and looked it at it again in Dec....It doesn't meet our requirements...You are familiar with that statement as I hear it from your side all the time...


This "gyro" guy reminds me of the door to door salesman who comes to my door....or the phone salesman telling me about what a good deal I am passing up....

 

[Nevets]

Our MEC looked at it several years ago and looked it at it again in Dec....It doesn't meet our requirements...You are familiar with that statement as I hear it from your side all the time...


This "gyro" guy reminds me of the door to door salesman who comes to my door....or the phone salesman telling me about what a good deal I am passing up....

You didn't answer the questions.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You didn't answer the questions.

Yes I did....You just don't like the answers and you don't understand the dynamic nature of PBS bidding...You will never see real results of a PBS system until it used for real live bidding...I for one don't want to see those results from a system like smartpref....

After seeing the system myself on their own website and using it, then after seeing this whiny letter....I am even more assured of how bad a system it is...

 

[pilotnbr1]

Smart Pref, Flightline, XJT line bidding.... Pick your poison if we don't get control of pairing construction GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT

 

[Nevets]

Yes I did....You just don't like the answers and you don't understand the dynamic nature of PBS bidding...You will never see real results of a PBS system until it used for real live bidding...I for one don't want to see those results from a system like smartpref....

After seeing the system myself on their own website and using it, then after seeing this whiny letter....I am even more assured of how bad a system it is...

No, you actually didn't answer my questions. I know your position. I'm talking about your derelict MEC. But I guess they are like you and don't actually want to see the results and rather pretend you did and not communicate with their pilots on why supposedly it's bad.