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I find that type of attitude a sad premonition for the future of your merger with XJT

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Nevets

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7 March 2012

David and Dennis,

First and most important I would like to thank you for giving Crewing Solutions an opportunity to demonstrate and educate you on SmartPref as a different approach to solving the PBS dilemma that faces crews everywhere. We wish you the best in your continued use of Flightline PBS for the ASA side of ExpressJet and as a retired pilot who bid with PBS, I do in truth hope you can achieve the best possible schedules for each and every one of your pilots every month. That is what we are all about at Crewing Solutions, as we feel SmartPref gives more pilots than any other PBS on the market that chance or opportunity month in month out. I hope you can say the same for Flightline after the JCBA gets ratified.

Secondly and now speaking as one ALPA pilot to another ALPA pilot and not as a salesman for SmartPref, I’d like to address a professional aspect that seems to be lacking from your group. As you are aware in late September and early October 2011, we offered to bring the ASA side up to speed on SmartPref to get you on equal footing with the XJT side. It was not until just before Christmas that Dennis finally contacted me with the desire to now become more informed about SmartPref. We had already delved deep into customizing SmartPref for the XJT relief line project and had not heard from nor received even one email from ASA for that 9-10 week span. So my team was skeptical at the outset as to why we were to spend time and effort with ASA as it was evident you were very against SmartPref anyway.

I convinced my team that it would be in our best interests to bring the ASA side up to speed, give you all the tools and environments the XJT side had with the hope that you would ultimately understand the many advantages of SmartPref. Consequently we spent countless hours, days and weeks working with you to do just that. The problem arose however that your PBS committee was consumed in continually trying to compare Flightline to SmartPref and to mold SmartPref to award like Flightline, which is really apples and oranges. This along with not understanding SmartPref globalization sidetracked the process. It also actually blocked them from realizing the ultimate benefits of SmartPref when used in real time live environment where globalization will begin to decrease.
We then were put on a very short timetable that no PBS company would have accepted but we did so for ASA unconditionally, still assuming you were seriously considering SmartPref. That as we now discover was a flawed assumption on my part and far from the real truth. When we recently learned the ASA PBS committee was upset because our very respected and successful founder, Chris Boegner had to depart early on the second day of his seminar with the two PBS committees (Feb. 27 -28 in California), it all became very clear and their true colors surfaced. We all know his spending another 4 hours with them was never going to change their position about SmartPref as their minds had been made up since the very beginning.

As a consequence and again pilot to pilot I feel very much deceived, taken advantage of and hoodwinked to say the least. This is only further confirmed because as of this date we at Crewing Solutions have yet to hear from your side what your decision was regarding SmartPref. We learned of it through the XJT side.

To put it in further perspective, as a captain for 26 years at PEX and CAL when it was your leg I expected you to fly the aircraft the way you like to fly it within the SOPs but using your techniques and the tools the way you best desire to fly a safe and efficient aircraft. But there were those few pilots over the years that always thought they had all the answers, even when they botched an approach and landing they would never admit it. But the worst ingredient of those who had that persona was they also would never compliment the other pilot in any way or fashion. Even a “hey, nice landing” was never uttered from this type pilot.

Hence, despite our different PBS systems, it would have been polite to receive the professional courtesy of a “thank you for your efforts, but we’ve decided to remain with Flightline.” Just that little touch would have made our time with you seem worth our while and this letter unnecessary. It appears however we had been flying with the latter type of pilot as mentioned above. Honestly, I find that type of attitude a sad premonition for the future of your merger with XJT, but nonetheless wish you well as you go forward. Fly Safe.

Fraternally,

Steve “Gyro” Jaros
Captain, ALPA retired #0830471
 
The airline formally known as ASA's union is very professional.
 
The CRJ MEC puts their fingers in their ears for two and a half months. After being unable to just sweep this under the rug, they decide to finally become more informed about smartpref. Why does it take so long to decide to get informed unless there was no open mindedness and the decision to not even consider anything other than flightline had already been made?

Then they couldn't even be open minded enough to look at the end result and see if it was as good or better than flightline. Instead they wanted smartpref to do it like flightline because they have some preconceived idea of seniority and globalization that they cannot get past.

Then they gave crewing solutions an unrealistic and unnecessary timeline to set them up for failure. That was later made known when these guys got butthurt that the founder of the company couldn't be there to listen in on the briefing that his software engineers were giving them. It was just an excuse to further their preconceived decision against smartpref. And to pacify them, he met with them for four hours yet that didn't relieve their burthurtedness.

To top it off, they were not even professional enough to say, "thanks but no thanks." To their defense, it probably didn't occur to them to have that bit if professional courtesy since that had made up their minds months prior.

Its very telling when a third party gives his stark opinion on the success of our merging pilots when dealing with the CRJ MEC.
 
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This guy couldn't even write a professional letter, and he's offended that ASA would not buy into his software? Good riddance.

You are missing the broader point. Your guys won't even give a fair entertainment of anything other than flightline. I've asked before, which MEC is being more open minded and reasonable? Your MEC has NOT run any mock bids or trial runs using your parings on smartpref! How are they doing their due diligence on behalf of you guys? They are being derelict on their duties and you guys don't even know it. How can they inform you when they don't even inform themselves!
 
Again.. Whatever.


We like our system for bidding. Why waste negotiating capital to fix what isn't broke?
 
So the Competition states their feelings are hurt and are pissed they are not getting support from the CRJ side. You post what appears to be a confidential letter, which does nothing more than divide this pilot group. Good job.
 
Again.. Whatever.


We like our system for bidding. Why waste negotiating capital to fix what isn't broke?

Because you are not wasting negotiating capital by educating yourselves. What is it you guys don't get about due diligence?
 
You are missing the broader point. Your guys won't even give a fair entertainment of anything other than flightline. I've asked before, which MEC is being more open minded and reasonable? Your MEC has NOT run any mock bids or trial runs using your parings on smartpref! How are they doing their due diligence on behalf of you guys? They are being derelict on their duties and you guys don't even know it. How can they inform you when they don't even inform themselves!

You could turn those points around also, Flightline was better than most systems before it was customized for ASA. That said, why would we want to test drive something else? Show us how it's better (doubtful) and you'll sell it to us.
Don't send a guy that can't represent himself professionally on paper and expect me to believe he'll do a better job in person. That doesn't speak well and taints the product he's trying to sell.
So, back to my opening line, I presume your group has given Flightline a fair chance?
 
So the Competition states their feelings are hurt and are pissed they are not getting support from the CRJ side. You post what appears to be a confidential letter, which does nothing more than divide this pilot group. Good job.

Just trying to show you that your MEC is not working on your behalf when they won't even just listen. Anyway, maybe my motivation is to divide us and keep us separate indefinitely. I like that idea. I have a plan B and C that have nothing to do with this industry. I advice you to formulate one of your own!
 
You could turn those points around also, Flightline was better than most systems before it was customized for ASA. That said, why would we want to test drive something else? Show us how it's better (doubtful) and you'll sell it to us.
Don't send a guy that can't represent himself professionally on paper and expect me to believe he'll do a better job in person. That doesn't speak well and taints the product he's trying to sell.
So, back to my opening line, I presume your group has given Flightline a fair chance?

Yes, they have, and released a report. The reason why you would want to rest drive it is to see if it's better, duh! But your side has NOT run any trial runs or mock bids with their pairings. So how do you expect to know unless your side actually does their due diligence on your behalf? If a letter gets in a way of doing what's good for your pilots, then that just backs up the unprofessional claims of the writer. Get over it and the right thing and educate yourselves.
 
What is it you guys don't get about due diligence?

They did their due diligence 2 years ago and determined that Flightline was the best vendor for ASA. They then spent the better part of a year implementing the work rules they negotiated for that system. Is it really that surprising that they don't want to blow it all up now because the ERJ side is excited about a different vendor?
 
Just trying to show you that your MEC is not working on your behalf when they won't even just listen. Anyway, maybe my motivation is to divide us and keep us separate indefinitely. I like that idea. I have a plan B and C that have nothing to do with this industry. I advice you to formulate one of your own!

I don't need or want your advice. Thank you. You're about right on par with Captain Tony. You're legacy XJT's version of him. As far as your plans go, I don't care what you decide to do in any situation. Good for you, here's your brownie. You're right, the CRJ side of the fence should represent YOUR pilots and YOUR bidding system. Then you wouldn't be posting confidential letters. Negotiations are hard, and there's a lot of push and pull, you think this is different in this merger? Posting details (expecially from the Company trying to land a LARGE BIDDING CONTRACT) trying to get a leg up politically with half truths and no context is stupid in any case. Good job.
 
They did their due diligence 2 years ago and determined that Flightline was the best vendor for ASA. They then spent the better part of a year implementing the work rules they negotiated for that system. Is it really that surprising that they don't want to blow it all up now because the ERJ side is excited about a different vendor?

Two years ago? What about doing due diligence again taking into consideration new facts and realities?
 
I think it's ridiculous to consider a completely new solution inside of a new, joint contract. Period. There, I said it. Why? Because we will not have the opportunity to fix the flaws (and there will be flaws) until the next contract. Either take the existing ASA PBS solution and attempt to make corrections or take the existing XJet Line bidding solution and attempt to make it better. Who cares if they didn't want to listen to what was probably a good solution...for another time. Just not now and not in this contract.
 
I don't need or want your advice. Thank you. You're about right on par with Captain Tony. You're legacy XJT's version of him. As far as your plans go, I don't care what you decide to do in any situation. Good for you, here's your brownie. You're right, the CRJ side of the fence should represent YOUR pilots and YOUR bidding system. Then you wouldn't be posting confidential letters. Negotiations are hard, and there's a lot of push and pull, you think this is different in this merger? Posting details (expecially from the Company trying to land a LARGE BIDDING CONTRACT) trying to get a leg up politically with half truths and no context is stupid in any case. Good job.

Then dont take my advice. I can give a rat's a$$ if you dont! Anyway, I like to think of myself as our version of JoeMerchant, no offense.;)

In the end, if we stay separate because they cannot come to an agreement on a bidding system, it won't be because of what I ever posted. Just trying to let you guys know that your MEC isn't doing their due diligence. Thought that some may want to know.
 
Then dont take my advice. I can give a rat's a$$ if you dont! Anyway, I like to think of myself as our version of JoeMerchant, no offense.;)

In the end, if we stay separate because they cannot come to an agreement on a bidding system, it won't be because of what I ever posted. Just trying to let you guys know that your MEC isn't doing their due diligence. Thought that some may want to know.

And it just so happens to be self serving in your case... What a coincidence!! Whew, thanks for posting a confidential letter on a public forum so I can turn against my own MEC. Really, your methods suck beyond all comprehension. I'll stick with my own, thanks for trying. The difference between you and me is that I expect you to support your side of the fence and I don't take cheap shots to try and undermine that. Good luck, I really mean that.
 

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