American and US Air - why???????

[Scoot 11]

US Airways cannot get its own house in order, how can it think to take on the divided house of AA? Oh.....the union leaders and the positions they hold will most likely be getting huge payoffs....I mean contractual pay raises. "From this Seniority number and up (just by chance it is the most Jr of the senior union reps) will keep this much of their defined pension and everyone gets a pay raise......psssst, and we furlough those junior 20% (but they don't matter).

Another merger to ruin future hiring.....................more layoffs

You make a very good point here. It's easy to try to work on another merger to take the spotlight off the current disaster known as US Airways. Parker is an amateur, trying to get into the spotlight, no matter what it takes.

JMHO...YMMV...

 

[Turtle21]

Why? Because DUI Parker wants to replace the aged and dilapidated AA MD80s with "younger" USAirways 737-400s. He has to find homes for the decrepid USAirways 737 fleet. At least that is my theory...

USAir only has 7 300s left that will be gone by the end of the year and about 40 400s that will be gone by the end of next year, all being replaced one for one with new A321s, just adding to what is already the largest (and youngest) Airbus fleet in the world.

 

[ackattacker]

You make a very good point here. It's easy to try to work on another merger to take the spotlight off the current disaster known as US Airways. Parker is an amateur, trying to get into the spotlight, no matter what it takes.

JMHO...YMMV...

US Airways is a labor disaster but as an airline it's doing pretty well. The USAPA mess is hardly Duggie's fault, that mess lies squarely at the feet of the pilots involved. All he's doing is taking advantage of the resulting cheap labor for as long as he can, which is exactly what a CEO is supposed to do.

Of course the labor problem is now actually a problem since he wants the merger to happen. Now that he wants the issue gone he'll just throw some money at it, as he could have done all along but had no incentive to do so. It looks like he has the unions and most of the creditors lined up behind him, an nobody has any faith in Horton at all. Prediction, this merger will go through and it will be overall good for most people involved.

 

[HalinTexas]

You guys need to stop thinking from a labor perspective and start thinking from a business perspective. Merging these two is good for everyone in this business. Primarily it reduces competition and gives pricing power to EVERYONE. Not so good for the airline consumer. It also prevents further collapse of wages for us laborers. This is a good deal...let's hope it happens.

LOL:laugh:

Impossible. Inconceivable.

As to the rest of the posts...

Of course, the millionaire, fat-cat union bosses are on board with this, but they only have the regular guy's best interest at heart, right?

Simple reason: Business. Grow or die. Market share. Pricing power.

Would you rather AMR furlough 13000 employees vs. 6000 as USAir is offering? Both numbers could go higher and probably will in either case.

Congress, BO, and Wall St. would love for this to happen. Have been urging consolidation for years.


Put away the class envy. It's doing nothing but destroying civilization.

 

[Flyby1206]

US Airways is a labor disaster but as an airline it's doing pretty well. The USAPA mess is hardly Duggie's fault, that mess lies squarely at the feet of the pilots involved. All he's doing is taking advantage of the resulting cheap labor for as long as he can, which is exactly what a CEO is supposed to do.

US Airways is doing well because of the labor disaster! If it werent for the ridiculously low payscales thanks to all the union in-fighting then US would be in serious trouble (arguably still in serious trouble even with the lowest labor CASM of any legacy). US Airways is basically a high cost regional LCC airline. The international presence is negligible and the network is east coast heavy. I would put jetblue and US Airways in the same category in terms of similar operations.

 

[dollacrackho]

Parker took two dung heaps of airlines and combined them into a profitable entity in a sh!t economy. Calling him an amateur is silly. I think the guy has done damn good job holding this handicapped retarded dinosaur together. I'm sure there are plenty of mensa members trolling around flight info that could have done a much better job though.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Simple... AA cannot survive on its own. USAir cannot survive on its own. The two airlines combined will not only survive but be a formidable competitor to DAL/UAL.

Exactly.

 

[sean67]

US Airways is doing well because of the labor disaster! If it werent for the ridiculously low payscales thanks to all the union in-fighting then US would be in serious trouble (arguably still in serious trouble even with the lowest labor CASM of any legacy). US Airways is basically a high cost regional LCC airline. The international presence is negligible and the network is east coast heavy. I would put jetblue and US Airways in the same category in terms of similar operations.

Wow! What are you smoking?? Can I have some??

 

[Turtle21]

US Airways is doing well because of the labor disaster! If it werent for the ridiculously low payscales thanks to all the union in-fighting then US would be in serious trouble (arguably still in serious trouble even with the lowest labor CASM of any legacy). US Airways is basically a high cost regional LCC airline. The international presence is negligible and the network is east coast heavy. I would put jetblue and US Airways in the same category in terms of similar operations.

JetBlue Fleet
A320: 118
E190: 46

USAir Fleet
A320 family: 228
737: 47
A330: 16
767: 10
757: 24
E190:15

 

[vetrider]

Parker took two dung heaps of airlines and combined them into a profitable entity in a sh!t economy. Calling him an amateur is silly. I think the guy has done damn good job holding this handicapped retarded dinosaur together. I'm sure there are plenty of mensa members trolling around flight info that could have done a much better job though.

This is the best post of the thread, I do believe. Sums it all up perfectly.

 

[Flyer1015]

Any upcoming pilot shortage will already be taken care of by consolidation, therefore less airlines and less jobs. I still don't think there's going to be a crazy hiring spree that I keep hearing about.

 

[On Your Six]

Any upcoming pilot shortage will already be taken care of by consolidation, therefore less airlines and less jobs. I still don't think there's going to be a crazy hiring spree that I keep hearing about.

Another thread said USAir East will retire 1865 pilots within the next 7 years. AA has a lot of old Captains and old FOs due to hiring young civilians during the B-scale days, and then hiring military guys after the B-scale went away, that are now all the same age. The clear eventual winners here are the AWA pilots. They will outlast the old East guys, and the top half of the AA pilots, all leaving within a few years of each other. Good for the Westies.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[elguapo9]

Because some guys in back rooms on Wall St. you never heard of who control Billions of $ are going to make a quick $ out of the deal, get out, and leave the employees to deal with the resultant mess.

Doesn't matter a lick whether it makes sense in terms of routes, fleets, hubs, unions, contracts, the Nic., USAPA, APA, etc....

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!

 

[OurMoney1]

Parker needs the $$$$$$$$$$ that goes with the terms of a merger. USAirways depends on some type of life line every 6 to 10 years or else the place faces shut down.

 

[Flybywire44]

Wow! What are you smoking?? Can I have some??

FlyBy1206 is correct when he says:

US Airways is doing well because of the labor disaster!