King of the Union

[jonjuan]

For all intensive purposes,

LOL- Like saying "supposively" LOL.....

 

[jetlag7]

Look at the January 13th 411. How are you interpreting that to say anything other than exactly what it says in plain English?

Wait a minute.... what are you still doing in here talking about this?? Last week I was admonished by you for doing the same thing...

Whether you're for or against the recall, this is a stupid place to be having this discussion.

 

[CA1900]

As BentOver rightly pointed out, the furloughees are locked out of any meaningful discussions on our board. Since it was his thread, I didn't see any harm in correcting the gross misinformation raj posted.


It's still a stupid place to talk about it, though.

 

[Praetorian]

As BentOver rightly pointed out, the furloughees are locked out of any meaningful discussions on our board. Since it was his thread, I didn't see any harm in correcting the gross misinformation raj posted.


It's still a stupid place to talk about it, though.

What's the diff? Your management also reads the union message board.

 

[OPECJet]

What's the diff? Your management also reads the union message board.

How true. The rest of the world doesn't, however. If Luthi and Co hadn't been, and continue to be complete tools about the msg board we could discuss it there.

 

[rajflyboy]

I don't see a picket event in the process in Omaha. Haven't heard squat about it since that 411.

Obviously there is NO picket.

Luthi did nothing wrong.

and yes by the way... if you are afraid of an omaha picket I'd hate to see what happens when negotiations start next year. Pitty the fool.

The recall had nothing to do with a picket. Its all about power trips and ego's.

Stop the insanity.

 

[rajflyboy]

As BentOver rightly pointed out, the furloughees are locked out of any meaningful discussions on our board. Since it was his thread, I didn't see any harm in correcting the gross misinformation raj posted.


It's still a stupid place to talk about it, though.

Misinformation??

How is announcing a picket going to be a "CHARGE" against an individual for recall? Explain this to me? Ludicris

Where is the picket? Tell me?

its you that follows sheep without a direction.

 

[CA1900]

Easy, killer.

You said, "Nobody said we are going to Omaha period. That never happened."

That is misinformation, because he DID say it. I know we didn't actually do it. That wasn't the point. Your claim that nobody said we were going to picket Omaha is simply not accurate.

 

[rajflyboy]

Easy, killer.

You said, "Nobody said we are going to Omaha period. That never happened."

That is misinformation, because he DID say it. I know we didn't actually do it. That wasn't the point. Your claim that nobody said we were going to picket Omaha is simply not accurate.

No worries

Luthi has a big lead against the recallers and will win his case against the recallers.

 

[BentOver]

No worries

Luthi has a big lead against the recallers and will win his case against the recallers.

Yeah becasue there won't be a recall... Luthi and his 4 other buddies got the Bylaws changed so that now there has to be a vote on whether the Pres. should face a recall vote.

Now tell me how he'd face a recall vote(from the membership) when the very same people who saved his bacon by changing the Bylaws will be the ones voting on whether or not he should be charged with any violations.

The petition turnout (after 2/3rds of the alotted time) almost equalled the total amount of votes cast that got Luthi in. ( I suppose since everything was so good back then, the NJASAP president election was an afterthought?) That's total votes, not just votes for Luthi.

For or against him, the membership should have atleast had their day to decide.

My opinion is the the recall would have failed anyways. I doubt much more than 50% of the whole membership would have voted, let alone getting 50% recall support form the whole group.

In the end I suppose the whole thing atleast got Luthi's attention that he should change the way he handles business affairs. I've noticed he hasn't made a mockery of every decision management makes. He cried foul when changes were made to Fiji, lack of new a/c, Wifi not being installed.. Now that all those changes are taking place, not one word about them.

He needs to stop listening to disgruntled EX-employees

 

[rajflyboy]

Yeah becasue there won't be a recall... Luthi and his 4 other buddies got the Bylaws changed so that now there has to be a vote on whether the Pres. should face a recall vote.

Now tell me how he'd face a recall vote(from the membership) when the very same people who saved his bacon by changing the Bylaws will be the ones voting on whether or not he should be charged with any violations.

The petition turnout (after 2/3rds of the alotted time) almost equalled the total amount of votes cast that got Luthi in. ( I suppose since everything was so good back then, the NJASAP president election was an afterthought?) That's total votes, not just votes for Luthi.

For or against him, the membership should have atleast had their day to decide.

My opinion is the the recall would have failed anyways. I doubt much more than 50% of the whole membership would have voted, let alone getting 50% recall support form the whole group.

In the end I suppose the whole thing atleast got Luthi's attention that he should change the way he handles business affairs. I've noticed he hasn't made a mockery of every decision management makes. He cried foul when changes were made to Fiji, lack of new a/c, Wifi not being installed.. Now that all those changes are taking place, not one word about them.

He needs to stop listening to disgruntled EX-employees

Luthi needs to win. We need him for section 6 negotiations.

 

[BentOver]

Luthi needs to win. We need him for section 6 negotiations.

Need and want are two distinctly different things.. You want him... Nobody needs him... No one person is that important...Everyone is replaceable.

Example: Out of the 2500+ active pilots, there are some very very smart individuals. Many who have done this stuff before. Many who have done negotiations for things much more important than a Union contract. There are many others who could handle the task. Whether they want to be part of the goat rope is another story. I'd assume that those same smart people are also smart enough to stay far away.

 

[jetlag7]

Need and want are two distinctly different things.. You want him... Nobody needs him... No one person is that important...Everyone is replaceable.

Example: Out of the 2500+ active pilots, there are some very very smart individuals. Many who have done this stuff before. Many who have done negotiations for things much more important than a Union contract. There are many others who could handle the task. Whether they want to be part of the goat rope is another story. I'd assume that those same smart people are also smart enough to stay far away.

Considering the pathetic manner the recall has regressed into a character assassination hosted by a group who are still upset they lost the last election, I can't imaging why anyone would ever consider running for office or volunteering again.

On another note, Raj has a point. Even if you believe he's the anti-Christ, only a fool would refuse to acknowledge the fact he's an outstanding negotiator. Love him or despise him, I personally would prefer him sitting on our side of the table during Section 6.

 

[rajflyboy]

Considering the pathetic manner the recall has regressed into a character assassination hosted by a group who are still upset they lost the last election, I can't imaging why anyone would ever consider running for office or volunteering again.

On another note, Raj has a point. Even if you believe he's the anti-Christ, only a fool would refuse to acknowledge the fact he's an outstanding negotiator. Love him or despise him, I personally would prefer him sitting on our side of the table during Section 6.

Hell Yeah

 

[VGerect]

On another note, Raj has a point. Even if you believe he's the anti-Christ, only a fool would refuse to acknowledge the fact he's an outstanding negotiator.

Was Luthi part of the IBB negotiations ?

What has he successfully negotiated so far? He sure as hell hasn't been able to successfully negotiate anything in the post Santulli era.