United Express returns to DEN and evacs on rwy...

[Knob]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/30825489/detail.html
Great job to the crew!!

 

[mtsupilot376]

An Expressjet Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N15973 performing flight EV-5912/UA-5912 from Peoria,IL to Denver,CO (USA) with 22 people on board, was cleared to land on runway 34R. Tower controller was issuing instructions to other aircraft when he interrupted in surprise and exclaimed “he hit the lights” followed by “runway 34R is closed” instructing the next arriving aircraft to cancel approach clearance, maintain 9000 feet and continue on the localizer, all airport frequencies began to report an ongoing emergency on the airport, traffic on runway 34L and departures on runway 25 were also temporarily halted. The Embraer rolled out and stopped on the runway remaining there disabled, tower advised emergency services were deploying. The crew of another aircraft advised they were observing the landing and they had the impression the Embraer had hit the approach lights then touched down really hard but when they taxied closer to have a look onto the aircraft it didn’t appear they would have struck the lights but they aren’t sure, tower commented in response they’ll have the approach and runway lights inspected. The Embraer was evacuated due to smoke on board.

The airport reported the crew reported smoke in the cockpit, the aircraft was evacuated. One passenger was taken to a hospital, the extent of injuries was not known. The aircraft remained disabled on the runway, the runway was closed for 2.5 hours.

The airline reported the aircraft was evacuated onto the runway because of smoke on the aircraft.


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[rausda27]

the two stories kind of conflict. Was the smoke in the cockpit in-flight or did smoke in the cabin occur due to the hard landing, hitting lights etc?

 

[brokeflyer]

the two stories kind of conflict. Was the smoke in the cockpit in-flight or did smoke in the cabin occur due to the hard landing, hitting lights etc?

well it is just a regional.....if you make it the airport you're doing pretty good for the day.

 

[Kaman]

I think there has been a lot of confusion about the "smoke in the cockpit". I believe it was post-crash according to some other reports to the contrary.

 

[Erlanger]

The smoke occurred on final. Cockpit quickly filled with smoke and crew couldnt see, hence the bad landing.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

The smoke occurred on final. Cockpit quickly filled with smoke and crew couldnt see, hence the bad landing.

Yes, smoke on final.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Controller F'ed it up.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/261127/339/Air-controller-during-emergency-landing-I-know-thats-BS

 

[Varmint]

Controller F'ed it up.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/261127/339/Air-controller-during-emergency-landing-I-know-thats-BS

I think the pilot f-ed it up by not using his complete call sign. Using a partial call sign on a routine basis is a bad habit because in situations like this, saying jetlink or acey prior to the flight number will not come naturally. I hear it all the time even when two different airlines are on the same frequencies with similar call signs during read-backs.

With the background noise in the tower cab and old equipment it is very possible that the tape caught the 59 in 5912 but only the 12 was heard by the controller. Using the proper callsign of Jetlink or Acey 5912, would probably have solved the issue and quelled the controllers suspicions that it was a "prank" call.

 

[OPECJet]

I think the pilot f-ed it up by not using his complete call sign. Using a partial call sign on a routine basis is a bad habit because in situations like this, saying jetlink or acey prior to the flight number will not come naturally. I hear it all the time even when two different airlines are on the same frequencies with similar call signs during read-backs.

With the background noise in the tower cab and old equipment it is very possible that the tape caught the 59 in 5912 but only the 12 was heard by the controller. Using the proper callsign of Jetlink or Acey 5912, would probably have solved the issue and quelled the controllers suspicions that it was a "prank" call.

I'm sure you're right. I can see how "5912" could be heard as "United 12.

If those guys did smack the runway lights because the couldn't see it's time ALPA and the rest of the alphabet organizations start getting behind mandatory EVAS.

 

[Erlanger]

They didnt hit the lights. The NTSB isnt even getting involved they said cos smoke was from an engine seal leak not fire. Captain said they lost the runway as they past over the threshold cos of the smoke and landed hard. No damage to the aircraft. That other aircraft was erroneous in his radio transmission of the lights being hit.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

We all know they don't like the Acey call sign, but it should come naturally. But what do I know. The BA038 777 captain did something similar-- used a call sign for his next flight. The controller in that case, saw what was happening and reacted well.

 

[russtgol]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/30825489/detail.html
Great job to the crew!!

Really? Please...

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Really? Please...

This crew did a fantastic job. I think until you are in a cockpit unable to see the instruments or the hand in front of your face, it's hard to say how you would react. I don't know if I would say the call sign if I was that amped up.

 

[russtgol]

This crew did a fantastic job. I think until you are in a cockpit unable to see the instruments or the hand in front of your face, it's hard to say how you would react. I don't know if I would say the call sign if I was that amped up.

Don't be so dramatic....

 

[dojetdriver]

Don't be so dramatic....

What's "Tebow Maina"?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Don't be so dramatic....

So you know about the situation, and whether they could see or not? This was not your average "hey is that smoke" event.

 

[russtgol]

So you know about the situation, and whether they could see or not? This was not your average "hey is that smoke" event.

How do you know?

 

[Varmint]

We all know they don't like the Acey call sign, but it should come naturally. But what do I know. The BA038 777 captain did something similar-- used a call sign for his next flight. The controller in that case, saw what was happening and reacted well.

Agree. The controller was sharp in the BA situation. However, the Capt of BA38, when he made the call, stated "speedbird xxx" which immediately clued the controller in that there was an issue. The controller knew he had a BA on short final and could correlate that that was the emergency aircraft. Why do guys in the US not use the full call sign? Do guys think that it sounds cool to just say the numbers or is it just pure laziness?

In this situation, the FO blirts out 5912 which sounded like United 12. Had he said ACEY 5912, I think the outcome with the response to the incident would have been much better.

I am glad everyone got out of this safely and it sounds like the crew did a great job.....I just don't think that the controller should be raked over the coals because of someone's slack radio technique.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Agree. The controller was sharp in the BA situation. However, the Capt of BA38, when he made the call, stated "speedbird xxx" which immediately clued the controller in that there was an issue. The controller knew he had a BA on short final and could correlate that that was the emergency aircraft. Why do guys in the US not use the full call sign? Do guys think that it sounds cool to just say the numbers or is it just pure laziness?

In this situation, the FO blirts out 5912 which sounded like United 12. Had he said ACEY 5912, I think the outcome with the response to the incident would have been much better.

I am glad everyone got out of this safely and it sounds like the crew did a great job.....I just don't think that the controller should be raked over the coals because of someone's slack radio technique.

I don't think the controller should be raked over the coals, but neither should the crew. They had their hands full.