A-320 ETOPs ? VA yesterday

[Old School 737]

Virgin America over the Pacific yesterday doing Proving runs for ETOPs!?!


Does the A320 have the legs to do anything other than the Bay Area?

 

[TWA Dude]

320 could easily make HNL.

 

[SKC]

Are they leasing an aircraft that was being repo'd?

 

[Old School 737]

320 could easily make HNL.

Hell a old classic 737 can make HNL but not under ETOPS rules and fuel requirements .. Who does ETOPs with A320's any where in the world? Just wondering what stage length and with what seat loads?

 

[SLUF4]

Got behind a British Airways A318 on the track a few months ago. Took off from JFK and I think he was going to London City. Speedbird 2..it's not a concorde anymore

 

[eagle06]

Virgin America has a job posting online for an ETOPs program manager....

 

[shon7]

Hell a old classic 737 can make HNL but not under ETOPS rules and fuel requirements .. Who does ETOPs with A320's any where in the world? Just wondering what stage length and with what seat loads?

Very common in East Asia. Check out some of the operators in the region out of SIN, BKK etc.

 

[Flyby1206]

Got behind a British Airways A318 on the track a few months ago. Took off from JFK and I think he was going to London City. Speedbird 2..it's not a concorde anymore

32-seat all business class. LCY-SNN-JFK and JFK-LCY on the return:

http://www.nycaviation.com/2009/08/...jfk-club-world-service-begins-september-29th/

And no non-revs allowed, for those who were thinking about it

 

[Old School 737]

Virgin America has a job posting online for an ETOPs program manager....

So they are doing proving runs already .. Isn't that like putting the cart ahead of the horse?

 

[OurMoney1]

320 can make HNL under fair conditions with little wiggle room. The NEO will have about another 45 minutes of contingency.

 

[Mamma]

Are we talking about an A320 full of TVs? They can barely do a transcon in the winter.

 

[Ralph Cramden]

The company is pretty agressive in pushing for approvals. We got CAT3 in the first year of operations.

SFO CUN would benefit immediately from ETOPS. We also would use it for nat tracks on delivery flights. HI is winglet and NEO country.

 

[SELCAL checks]

SFO CUN would benefit immediately from ETOPS. We also would use it for nat tracks on delivery flights. HI is winglet and NEO country.

SFO-CUN isn't ETOPS. And delivery flights are Part 91, no ETOPS required.

 

[JetMonkey]

A319's are the ones with the range. Use to do BOS-LAX full, with 45min taxi outs, no problem..

 

[turbinej]

b737-900 are currently flying lax - hnl etops

 

[turbinej]

jet blue flys a-320 across the atlantic when they are picking up deliveries.

 

[DCMartin]

SFO-CUN isn't ETOPS. And delivery flights are Part 91, no ETOPS required.

If A320 gets ETOPS VX can save alot of money on fuel to CUN. Currently, A320 flights can't venture beyond 162NM on CUN route while ETOPS flights shoot straight across gulf.

 

[SELCAL checks]

If A320 gets ETOPS VX can save alot of money on fuel to CUN. Currently, A320 flights can't venture beyond 162NM on CUN route while ETOPS flights shoot straight across gulf.

ETOPS means flying more than an hour from an adequate airport. The gulf isn't ETOPS unless you're flying a Piper Cub. All your Airbus needs in order to cut the Gulf is ELTs, Rafts, and flares.

 

[Flyiguy]

Virgin America over the Pacific yesterday doing Proving runs for ETOPs!?!


Does the A320 have the legs to do anything other than the Bay Area?

No ETOP proving run. New aircraft delivery.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

If A320 gets ETOPS VX can save alot of money on fuel to CUN. Currently, A320 flights can't venture beyond 162NM on CUN route while ETOPS flights shoot straight across gulf.

I don't know what you said but you're giving bake a run for his money
, nice pic!

 

[SLUF4]

32-seat all business class. LCY-SNN-JFK and JFK-LCY on the return:

http://www.nycaviation.com/2009/08/...jfk-club-world-service-begins-september-29th/

And no non-revs allowed, for those who were thinking about it

they did .72 mach on the track too...yes, we passed them

 

[On Your Six]

320 could easily make HNL.

Empty...... Why doesn't anyone do it now? A319s probably have better range, but less seats means less profits when you are competing against Hawaiian A330s.



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Chairman]

No ETOP proving run. New aircraft delivery.

The Etops proving runs can be anywhere it does not have to be done over water. Involves more MX stuff and cold starting APU's at altitude than plotting across the tracks....

 

[CesnaCaptn]

If A320 gets ETOPS VX can save alot of money on fuel to CUN. Currently, A320 flights can't venture beyond 162NM on CUN route while ETOPS flights shoot straight across gulf.

You don't even need ETOPs to fly across the gulf. You just need limited over-water and class II nav certification.

 

[CTflyer]

jet blue flys a-320 across the atlantic when they are picking up deliveries.

With stops in either Iceland or Gander.....

 

[landlover]

they did .72 mach on the track too...yes, we passed them

did he have his blinker on the whole way too?

 

[HAL]

The Airbus goes across the Atlantic because you can do that with a 120 minute ETOPS approval. The A320 family however is restricted to a 120 minute range because that's how Airbus certified the aircraft. It can't do a mainland-Hawaii flight because that requires a 180 minute certification. I suppose if Airbus ever wanted to, they could go through the expense of certifying the 320 family for a 180 minute ETOPS, but then they'd lose a lot of range because, just like the 737, they'd have to carry extra ETOPS fuel, and run the APU the whole way across the Pacific. It just doesn't seem reasonable that they'd do that.

Therefore - Virgin America is not doing 'proving runs' to Hawaii. Like an earlier poster said, it's a delivery flight. VX may be aiming for ETOPS flights, but that would only be for the Atlantic/Caribbean/South America flying, not Hawaii.

HAL

 

[Headfake14]

So many guys totally don't understand ETOPS. Good Explanation HAL.

And you don't need ETOPS for caribbean flying...just rafts and life vests. Our (JB) A320s go just over 400 miles off shore and the E190 is just under that...380ish I think. JFK/BOS straight line to the islands. No ETOPS needed.

VX, you're not getting ETOPS. You're barely making $$ as it is now. Cost benefit not there.

 

[XJAVRO]

The Airbus goes across the Atlantic because you can do that with a 120 minute ETOPS approval. The A320 family however is restricted to a 120 minute range because that's how Airbus certified the aircraft. It can't do a mainland-Hawaii flight because that requires a 180 minute certification. I suppose if Airbus ever wanted to, they could go through the expense of certifying the 320 family for a 180 minute ETOPS, but then they'd lose a lot of range because, just like the 737, they'd have to carry extra ETOPS fuel, and run the APU the whole way across the Pacific. It just doesn't seem reasonable that they'd do that.

Therefore - Virgin America is not doing 'proving runs' to Hawaii. Like an earlier poster said, it's a delivery flight. VX may be aiming for ETOPS flights, but that would only be for the Atlantic/Caribbean/South America flying, not Hawaii.

HAL

The 320 is already 180 minute ETOPS certified. Here is part of the press release from 2006.


Airbus A320 Family approved for 180 minute ETOPS by the FAA
Wednesday, 10 May 2006
Toulouse (AIRBUS) - Airbus A320, A321 and A319, including the corporate jet version, are approved for 180 minute extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS). The approval was granted by the Federal Aviation Administration after European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) had granted the same approval in March 2004.

The first 180 minute ETOPS aircraft certified by the FAA, an A319 corporate jet is planned to be delivered in May to an undisclosed US customer.

A318 ETOPS approval (EASA and FAA) is targeted for 2nd half of this year, leading to the complete Airbus Single Aisle Family to be ETOPS certified by both Authorities.

This 180 min ETOPS Type Design approval granted by the FAA recognises the compliance of aircraft design with current US ETOPS rules and the significant ETOPS experience accumulated worldwide as well as the high reliability of A320 family ETOPS operations.

ETOPS, is an International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) rule permitting twin-engined commercial aircraft operators to fly routes that are up to 180 minutes flying time from the nearest airport.

 

[Flyiguy]

The Etops proving runs can be anywhere it does not have to be done over water. Involves more MX stuff and cold starting APU's at altitude than plotting across the tracks....

Read my post. I never said anything about how, why, where ETOP proving runs can be done. I just said it was not a proving run, it was a new aircraft delivery.