The Real story of pinnacle pilots

[buckwheat]

http://youtu.be/4JCi4zrsT1k

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

Wow...

 

[BUDDHA145]

Well I'm not a fan of the Fuhrer!! But he is 100% correct about ALPA!!! and for that case any union that is not in house!!! and yes I'm a horse member.... :/


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[jetflier]

What a mess! Are the Q400's biddable? Is the Q400 pay close to the RJ?

 

[silver02ex]

What a mess! Are the Q400's biddable? Is the Q400 pay close to the RJ?

I take about a $5/hr pay cut if I go to the Q. I can only bid Q FO, since I'm a PNCl FO. I get to see a guy at Colgan who was hired 3 year and almost 1,000 number below me upgrade to Q, and see a Mesaba guy who was hired a year after I did take a CA slot on a PNCL CRJ2 in DTW or JFK. This is what senior PNCL FO has to deal with. I'm not complaining but just stating some facts.

 

[RJLoser]

I wasn't aware XJ guys hired after some of our FO's are bidding ca. Quotas?

 

[bri5150]

I don't know silver's situation and I am trying to figure it out. Pinnacle wasn't fenced completely from the Q, right? Just the Saab. I know some Mesaba FO's that were in the jet FO group that got Q captain, so I am not sure sure why he wouldn't be able to do it if he has reasonable seniority. The DTW captain thing might be because he couldn't hold a vacancy, but someone junior to him was displaced. With 5500+tt he must have passed up on a captain position at some time. I've been at Mesaba since the beginning of '05 and only have 4250tt. Silver, is any of that correct?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

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[WMUSIGPI]

I take about a $5/hr pay cut if I go to the Q. I can only bid Q FO, since I'm a PNCl FO. I get to see a guy at Colgan who was hired 3 year and almost 1,000 number below me upgrade to Q, and see a Mesaba guy who was hired a year after I did take a CA slot on a PNCL CRJ2 in DTW or JFK. This is what senior PNCL FO has to deal with. I'm not complaining but just stating some facts.

I suspect this FO easily could have bid CA in DTW or JFK also. Now if you are mad that this FO couldn't hold CA in MEM or MSP, well neither can any of the Mesaba FO's. Not holding Saab CA, you can thank your negotiators for that screwing. Same goes for your low fence numbers. Perhaps if they weren't effectively asking for a straight staple and considered the Saabs worthless PCL pilots wouldn't have been pushed around so much. For the record I don't agree with the award either, the numbering or the fencing.

 

[Flyer1015]

. Not holding Saab CA, you can thank your negotiators for that screwing. Same goes for your low fence numbers. Perhaps if they weren't effectively asking for a straight staple and considered the Saabs worthless PCL pilots wouldn't have been pushed around so much.

JH should be sued!

 

[jynxyjericho]

I love how the video says this is somehow "all the Mesaba committee fault". Mesaba did it's best to defend against a wildly unfair and bitter proposal by JH and the bucket of fail sauce he brought with him. JH is just upset the preemptive strike failed and Bloch saw through his crap.

 

[Flyer1015]

unfair and bitter proposal by JH and the bucket of fail sauce he brought with him. JH is just upset the preemptive strike failed and Bloch saw through his crap.

JH should be sued!

 

[silver02ex]

I don't know silver's situation and I am trying to figure it out. Pinnacle wasn't fenced completely from the Q, right? Just the Saab. I know some Mesaba FO's that were in the jet FO group that got Q captain, so I am not sure sure why he wouldn't be able to do it if he has reasonable seniority. The DTW captain thing might be because he couldn't hold a vacancy, but someone junior to him was displaced. With 5500+tt he must have passed up on a captain position at some time. I've been at Mesaba since the beginning of '05 and only have 4250tt. Silver, is any of that correct?

I can hold a DTW CA slot (probably the last 2-3 spot), since I was hired mid 2006. All I was trying to say was that there are Mesaba FO's that were hired in 2007 that are taking those spot and lines from me in DTW. Those 07 Mesaba CA were displaced out of the Saab, and took the DTW CA during 11-08 which I couldn't hold DTW CA even if I wanted to, but the 11-09 I could hold the last 2-3 spots.

 

[silver02ex]

I suspect this FO easily could have bid CA in DTW or JFK also. Now if you are mad that this FO couldn't hold CA in MEM or MSP, well neither can any of the Mesaba FO's. Not holding Saab CA, you can thank your negotiators for that screwing. Same goes for your low fence numbers. Perhaps if they weren't effectively asking for a straight staple and considered the Saabs worthless PCL pilots wouldn't have been pushed around so much. For the record I don't agree with the award either, the numbering or the fencing.

I'm not mad about anything, i'm just stating the fact what the senior Pinnacle FO like myself has to deal with. Unlike some pilots, what's done is done, and there's not a thing I can do about it, and just moved on.

 

[DoinTime]

I can hold a DTW CA slot (probably the last 2-3 spot), since I was hired mid 2006. All I was trying to say was that there are Mesaba FO's that were hired in 2007 that are taking those spot and lines from me in DTW. Those 07 Mesaba CA were displaced out of the Saab, and took the DTW CA during 11-08 which I couldn't hold DTW CA even if I wanted to, but the 11-09 I could hold the last 2-3 spots.

You do know that Date of Hire was not used in seniority integration, right?