Kelly: SWA costs too high

[Tripower455]

I think if you "listen between the lines", GK just asked for concessions.

That's his usual, pre section 6 tactic.

 

[SWA Bubba]

That's his usual, pre section 6 tactic.

I suspect it's EVERY management's usual, pre section 6 tactic.

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

I suspect it's EVERY management's usual, pre section 6 tactic.

Yep, its right out of the ATA playbook.

 

[slaquer5]

Originally Posted by DeucesWild
I think if you "listen between the lines", GK just asked for concessions.

Gary is way ahead of all you guys. He would like nothing more that for every airline that is now/or soon to be, negotiating a contract to use his statement to give less to there pilots. Then his dirty work is done for him w/ the bar being lowered.

Ironic how so many get joy in GK words ( wanting to see pain on SWA pilots). Most might want to be concerned about what is now going to happen in there own house. GK is playing chess, while you guys are playing checkers.

 

[flythere]

Well, to be completely honest, 99% of the stuff that pilots spout advice on in this forum (in the form of gospel, I might add) is crap. If we could actually run an airline (or any business), we'd be doing it instead of this, and making more money.

For the most part, pilots should stick with what they do best: flying airplanes, drinking beer, and hitting on flight attendants. Giving worldly advice in an authoritative manner should be only be done to gullible folks who don't know you, ie. NOT other pilots.

Back to the beer.....

Bubba

You've got a valid point Sir!!

 

[canyonblue]

I consistantly fly 80-85 hours a month. The last couple months have been closer to 80, and in the late Spring and into Summer I am closer to 90. So, I average about 85 a month. Throw in 4 weeks of vacation.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Well at your top 75/76 rate at 85 hours, that would be $126,480 for the year. A top rate SWA FO would only have to fly 71 hours a month to equal that total. Or they could fly like you and bring home $24,000 more. You can fly your "extra work days" at Deltoid, I'll keep my quality of life at Southwest and throw in my 4 weeks of vacation.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I love the fact that you guys get paid a lot of money. But to constantly harp on how much you make is gauche (Google it!).

Save it for the 3Gs you date. Perhaps they're impressed. We're not.

 

[brokeflyer]

management gets their bonuses though. amazing how that can even be legal

 

[slaquer5]

Save it for the 3Gs you date. Perhaps they're impressed. We're not.

Dont knock it till you try it

 

[FlyinGuy]

I love it when pilots think they know how to run airlines....makes for good comedy!!!

I hate it when pilots continue to wish for hardship on other members of our profession instead of campaigning to raise the bar for all aviators....makes for pathetic discussions!!!

 

[canyonblue]

Save it for the 3Gs you date. Perhaps they're impressed. We're not.

You mean your Mom, sister and brother? :laugh:

 

[canyonblue]

I love the fact that you guys get paid a lot of money. But to constantly harp on how much you make is gauche (Google it!).

The main point in my post is that I applied to SWA because of the schedules, not the money (I was hired before 9/11). Take away the money and at least I am still employed at an airline that has our productivity and schedules, and not at the other places.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Dont knock it till you try it

I'm down with that. If a woman isn't over 45 I'm not interested. That makes me the PERFECT wingman.

 

[Quimby]

Gary is way ahead of all you guys. He would like nothing more that for every airline that is now/or soon to be, negotiating a contract to use his statement to give less to there pilots. Then his dirty work is done for him w/ the bar being lowered.

Ironic how so many get joy in GK words ( wanting to see pain on SWA pilots). Most might want to be concerned about what is now going to happen in there own house. GK is playing chess, while you guys are playing checkers.

GK is playing chess, while others are playing Whac-A-Mole.

Fixed it for you.

 

[tankerhead]

Happy endings for all moles!

 

[Whataburger]

I'm down with that. If a woman isn't over 45 I'm not interested. That makes me the PERFECT wingman.

Fugi, how did you get a picture of GENERAL CHEESE'S vagina?

 

[Lear70]

The problem is not pilot pay, its about the price of fuel. Just a prelude to more cuts from the Airtran side.

What cuts do you refer to?

If you're talking about moving planes and employees over to Southwest, then sure.

If you're talking about some kind of wage cuts, then, ummm, well, good luck with that (as in I don't think the AirTran pilots are in the mood to give back much of anything).

 

[texman]

What cuts do you refer to?

If you're talking about moving planes and employees over to Southwest, then sure.

If you're talking about some kind of wage cuts, then, ummm, well, good luck with that (as in I don't think the AirTran pilots are in the mood to give back much of anything).

I don't think that is the case. I believe what is going on, your subsidized flying (small cities that have been cut) is been shifted to our network to feed SWA side customers to the international destinations. You will see the AT's planes optimize big time. Get ready for ATL-SFO-LAX first day, and 5-6 legs a day two on the west coast, then day three SNA-SJD-SNA-SJD-SNA, then day four SNA-SFO-ATL. Get ready to work bro.

 

[vixin]

Get ready to make some good coin for that work!

 

[Lear70]

Ahhh, I gotcha. He said "cuts" and I was like WTF?

Working hard is just fine, bring it.

 

[General Lee]

What cuts do you refer to?

If you're talking about moving planes and employees over to Southwest, then sure.

If you're talking about some kind of wage cuts, then, ummm, well, good luck with that (as in I don't think the AirTran pilots are in the mood to give back much of anything).

I would say some Airtran guys STILL HAVE HARD FEELINGS. Good luck guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I don't think that is the case. I believe what is going on, your subsidized flying (small cities that have been cut) is been shifted to our network to feed SWA side customers to the international destinations. You will see the AT's planes optimize big time. Get ready for ATL-SFO-LAX first day, and 5-6 legs a day two on the west coast, then day three SNA-SJD-SNA-SJD-SNA, then day four SNA-SFO-ATL. Get ready to work bro.

That sound great. But, you forgot ATL to MCI-STL-CLE-DTW the first day, then DTW-BWI-MCO-ISP-MDW the next, then MDW-ALB-BWI-BUF-BWI-ORF the next, and then finally ORF-BWI-PBI-PHL-ATL the last, all in snowy weather with deicing. Sounds FUN!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[texman]

Genny don't stir the pot! I heard that the retirements you talk about at delta is only going to be half because of reduction and bigger airplanes. 737-900er fill it like a -700 and still make money plus less pilots. Good luck.

 

[texman]

Oh genny, it's not like that. Ever heard of 30 and 7. Oh your intl. I forgot.

 

[Tripower455]

That sound great. But, you forgot ATL to MCI-STL-CLE-DTW the first day, then DTW-BWI-MCO-ISP-MDW the next, then MDW-ALB-BWI-BUF-BWI-ORF the next, and then finally ORF-BWI-PBI-PHL-ATL the last, all in snowy weather with deicing. Sounds FUN!


Bye Bye--General Lee

That wouldn't ever happen to me, since I am not MDW based!

 

[Lear70]

Not hard feelings, just saying pay cuts wouldn't be a well-received request.

No need to stir the pot, General, we're doing just fine over here, thanks.

 

[texman]

Not hard feelings, just saying pay cuts wouldn't be a well-received request.

No need to stir the pot, General, we're doing just fine over here, thanks.

No cuts are coming. From either side. If anything profit-sharing will be up late 2012 going strong in 2013.

 

[texman]

Hey Lear when is your system bid over. If it is can you give me the list that is coming over first.

 

[Lear70]

We won't know until March. The system bid will only give us what aircraft and seats we're going into.

In March they will start taking pilots and it will be out of ATL first, and only by the bid (seniority based from certain seats, 737 pilots first).

Later in the year, they will start pulling down MCO 737's and MKE, again in a bid system. Who, how, and when people will move will not be really forecastable much in advance...

 

[Whataburger]

That sound great. But, you forgot ATL to MCI-STL-CLE-DTW the first day, then DTW-BWI-MCO-ISP-MDW the next, then MDW-ALB-BWI-BUF-BWI-ORF the next, and then finally ORF-BWI-PBI-PHL-ATL the last, all in snowy weather with deicing. Sounds FUN!


Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh, GENERAL CHEESE, you're so funny (humerous.) It's crazy how when every time I fly in the Winter there is a winter storm from Michigan to Florida. Crazy El Nino!!!!

Good thing you don't have to worry about that in Cairo!!! Good on ya!!!

Beat Super Mario yet? FANTASTIC?

BTW, Any news on your 23% raise?