Jumpseat and Politics

[Steeler Fan]

Looks like Mr XXXXXX is our "Uncle Larry" who gets drunk at the family function, licks the ice sculpture and fondles the dog. Sorry for those that had to deal with him. I thought we were all professionals here. SWA pilots have been more than courteous when I've asked for permission to ride the JS and those SWA pilots I've carried on mine have been more than gracious for the ride. SLI is water under the bridge. Let's all move on and play well together. It's nice to be important but more important to be nice.

Long time, no talk! The Uncle Larry reference was great--usually at my family gatherings, it's Uncle Bill, but I digress.

While I agree with most everything that AAI and SWA pilots have said on the issue, but I do NOT think it's appropriate to call the pilot out by name on FLIGHTINFO...our own SWAPA/ATN forums?--Sure, but not here.

I thought that the nameless part of this forum was standard procedure. Once again, not condoning negative behavior towards commuters +/or jumpseaters.

Like I said a few months ago, my experiences with SWA commuting pilots has been great this whole time, and I look forward to working with you all.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Just another perk of an unmoderated website.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

No, I was just referring to the cockpit jumpseat. A jumpseat request that is issued a cabin seat makes you just another non-rev in my book.

OK. Maybe you should re-read the first post in this thread by jball then. He never said they were cockpit jumpseaters - I believe "commuting" pilots were his words. Perhaps you should read twice before dishing out advice in BIG letters .....

 

[atails]

The Dickhead Captain from AAI is Tim Newman. Someone needs to inform MR. Newman that ******************** like this will not be tolerated..

Not condoning his actions, but I have flown with this captain many times and know that he is a good guy in and out of the cockpit. I am sure whatever he did was not a good example of his true character. FWIW

 

[GuppyWN]

As a WN captain I'll say this to the AirTran crewmembers - "my" airplane is your airplane. We're all family now and I will treat you as such.

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

Perhaps you should read twice before dishing out advice in BIG letters .....

Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so snotty.

 

[Dan Roman]

It seems like some of you assume you have the RIGHT to jumpseat. Its not a right, its a PRIVILEGE. And if an individual Capt doesn't want you on the jumpseat for whatever reason, you're out of luck.

Just say thank you and head for the next flight to where ever you're going.

While I understand what you are saying, I have refined my position on this to.... Non Reving and jumpseating are an earned right. As far as the jumpseat goes, every airline has given pilots at my airline at one time or another a jumpseat so I feel obligated (not that I even remotely mind having a jumpseater) to extend the courtesy. I would never dream of denying someone unless they some acted extremely rude or gave a reason to deny him. In other words, I feel I owe it to the jumpseater unless he gives a reason to deny him, THAN it would be a privilege that could be denied. But I think reciprocal jumpseat rights are, in fact, a right.

 

[vixin]

Not condoning his actions, but I have flown with this captain many times and know that he is a good guy in and out of the cockpit. I am sure whatever he did was not a good example of his true character. FWIW

Or was it?

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Perhaps you shouldn't be quite so snotty.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[50Pesos]

Long time, no talk! The Uncle Larry reference was great--usually at my family gatherings, it's Uncle Bill, but I digress.

While I agree with most everything that AAI and SWA pilots have said on the issue, but I do NOT think it's appropriate to call the pilot out by name on FLIGHTINFO...our own SWAPA/ATN forums?--Sure, but not here.

I thought that the nameless part of this forum was standard procedure. Once again, not condoning negative behavior towards commuters +/or jumpseaters.

Like I said a few months ago, my experiences with SWA commuting pilots has been great this whole time, and I look forward to working with you all.

You make a good point, I will never refer to Tim Newman by his real name of Tim Newman again on FI.

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[Ty Webb]

If that is truly how it went down, then please accept an apology from all of us. I don't know of anyone who would find that acceptable behavior. I imagine there is a very long line to stand in, if you want to "have a word with him" about it.

However, if you are going to name someone on this forum. at least have the stones to sign your own name when you do so. Anything else seems pretty cowardly.

50Pesos, it's not too hard to figure out who people are on here, for example, figuring out what Floptions guy was in a certain 6/08 class.

 

[Fubijaakr]

While I understand what you are saying, I have refined my position on this to.... Non Reving and jumpseating are an earned right.

I disagree. They are a negotiated benefit. Ask DAL pilots who didn't even have access to their OWN cockpit jumpseat until they gave up something in negotiations.

Because of that, I have a hard time granting access to the jumpseat to non-Union pilots, especially those that are actively undercutting my contract.

You don't see non-Union electricians going down to the IBEW hall and asking for a ride to the jobsite, do you?

 

[maru657]

Complaining about one incident after one of the most contentious mergers in modern history? I think your lucky there were no fist fights. This was a professionally sold deal leaving one side holding the short end of the stick. Just read the continuing posts by the handful of SW pilots, they certainly look like professional jobs. Someone imposing the view that "well, yes we stuck you with a bad deal but it could have been worse, so let's all be pals now".

 

[SWA Bubba]

... after one of the most contentious mergers in modern history?

Methinks this dumbazz should actually READ some history before he actually opens his yap. Oh, wait,... I forgot who I was talking about.

Bubba

 

[slaquer5]

Complaining about one incident after one of the most contentious mergers in modern history? I think your lucky there were no fist fights. This was a professionally sold deal leaving one side holding the short end of the stick. Just read the continuing posts by the handful of SW pilots, they certainly look like professional jobs. Someone imposing the view that "well, yes we stuck you with a bad deal but it could have been worse, so let's all be pals now".

You are a very angry idiot. Funny how the biggest sissy on FI talks about fists fights. You are more of a hair pulling, and scratching type I bet.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I disagree. They are a negotiated benefit. Ask DAL pilots who didn't even have access to their OWN cockpit jumpseat until they gave up something in negotiations.

Because of that, I have a hard time granting access to the jumpseat to non-Union pilots, especially those that are actively undercutting my contract.

You don't see non-Union electricians going down to the IBEW hall and asking for a ride to the jobsite, do you?

Isn't the mixing of politics and rides the topic?

I'm sure a person of such high principles and moral superiority would be on the phone to Enterprise Rent-a Car before he/she would stoop so low as to bum a ride from a non-union neighbor.

Once had a guy give me serious crap about my union status. His jumpseat, his choice. Then, the very same guy shows up a week or so later wanting, no, expecting a ride.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Once had a guy give me serious crap about my union status. His jumpseat, his choice. Then, the very same guy shows up a week or so later wanting, no, expecting a ride.

Well, its wrong to deny a jumpseat then go to their airline and bum a ride. Don't ask if you refuse to reciprocate.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Complaining about one incident after one of the most contentious mergers in modern history? I think your lucky there were no fist fights. This was a professionally sold deal leaving one side holding the short end of the stick. Just read the continuing posts by the handful of SW pilots, they certainly look like professional jobs. Someone imposing the view that "well, yes we stuck you with a bad deal but it could have been worse, so let's all be pals now".

First Officer Newman? Is that you? :laugh:

 

[maru657]

Obviously struck a nerve there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit or two regarding the results of this merger, possibly even a failure to represent against SWAPA sometime in the future.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Obviously struck a nerve there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lawsuit or two regarding the results of this merger, possibly even a failure to represent against SWAPA sometime in the future.

You can't possibly be this ignorant in real life... Can you? How could SWAPA be named in a "failure to represent" lawsuit by Airtran pilots? By the way, this is actually a serious question for you Maru. How 'bout taking a stab at it for us curious folk on the forum. SWAPA didn't represent Airtran's pilots. ALPA did. In fact, SWAPA represented the group (SWA pilots) on the other side of the table. It was their JOB to get as much as they could for their party, just as it was ALPA's job to get what it could for Airtran pilots. If Airtran pilots have a "failure to represent" case, it would be against the union that actually was charged with representing them. Uh,... if you're not paying attention Maru, that would be ALPA, not SWAPA.

Again, I'll post my opinion that in a few years, this will be thought of as one of the smoothest pilot SLIs in history, as much as that idea burns you up personally. So I imagine you'll just keep showing up and throwing out random accusations, stupid predictions, and other crap with absolutely no basis in reality.

Bubba