Latest at Flexjet?

[Johnlp3]

I think you meant:

Fred, Dave and Tom may be SOB's, but at least they're our SOB's.

Dang. I did it too! Don't you hate it when you make an error when trying to make a correction. Ack!

 

[warlord19]

Mr. Dookee, your a funny sob, although your last postings seems to have gone over the heads of most readers. Guess this manufactured "crisis" really has all our wanta-be unionists even more muddle-headed than usual.
WL19

 

[doh]

If (and that's a mighty big if right now) there is a merger / acquisition between NetJets and Flexjet, the final seniority list will be determined by the standards set out in McCaskill-Bond, Allegheny-Mohawk and our CBA. The question then comes down to what is "fair and equitable." It won't be a staple if that's the road traveled.

That is a big question. Does Bond-McCaskill apply here? If it does, then Allegheny-Mohawk applies. But if we are not air carriers as specified in the law, then all that is out the window. Anyone know if we meet the definition of air carrier as it pertains to Bond-McCaskill?

 

[wacoflyr]

I think Flex and Netjet pilots need to settle this.... in the Octogon.

The rest of us will settle in with some beverages and some popcorn, and root for the one with the most interesting leotard.

 

[Grizz]

That is a big question. Does Bond-McCaskill apply here? If it does, then Allegheny-Mohawk applies. But if we are not air carriers as specified in the law, then all that is out the window. Anyone know if we meet the definition of air carrier as it pertains to Bond-McCaskill?

DOH,

Flex has a Part 135 air carrier certificate and that meets the definition. I'm pretty sure that Flex pilots would be covered under McCaskill-Bond but without an actual union, someone in Flexjet management would represent their interests during any SLI talks. Not the best solution in my mind.

Here's a copy of the actual McCaskill-Bond amendment - thanks to Brian Ward for posting it.


McCaskill Amendent
CONSOLIDATED APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2008
HR 2764
SEC. 117. LABOR INTEGRATION.
(a) LABOR INTEGRATION.—With respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered air
carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act
(45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil
Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to
the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers; except that—
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at each
of the covered air carriers, that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding
integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this
section; and
(2) the requirements of any collective bargaining agreement that may be applicable to the
terms of integration involving covered employees of a covered air carrier shall not be
affected by the requirements of this section as to the employees covered by that agreement,
so long as those provisions allow for the protections afforded by sections 3 and 13 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk provisions.
(b) DEFINITIONS.—In this section, the following definitions apply:
(1) AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘air carrier’’ means an air carrier that holds a certificate issued
under chapter 411 of title 49, United States Code.
(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘covered air carrier’’ means an air carrier that is
involved in a covered transaction.
(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE.—The term ‘‘covered employee’’ means an employee who—
(A) is not a temporary employee; and
(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C.
151 et seq.).
(4) COVERED TRANSACTION.—The term ‘‘covered transaction’’ means—
(A) a transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier;
and which
(B) involves the transfer of ownership or control of—
(i) 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of
title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or
(ii) 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier.
(c) APPLICATION.—This section shall not apply to any covered transaction involving a covered air
carrier that took place before the date of enactment of this Act.
(d) EFFECTIVENESS OF PROVISION.—This section shall become effective on the date of enactment of this
Act and shall continue in effect in fiscal years after fiscal year 2008.

 

[PilotGuy]

Flexjet does not hold a 135 certificate, they act as agents for a 135 Certificate called JSLLC. I don't know if any of the above applies in that case.

 

[Grizz]

Hmmmm

 

[BE40Driver]

Buyout

Sounds like I have heard this before.....Flops and Travelair. Maybe Kenn Ricci is selling his snake oil again.

 

[ArtVandalay]

On a positive note, I just signed up with Rex-Kwon-Do


http://www.rexkwondodojo.com/id1.html

 

[DirtyBeech]

On a positive note, I just signed up with Rex-Kwon-Do


http://www.rexkwondodojo.com/id1.html

Odd, I pegged you as more of a using a tupperware sales pitch to sell boob supplements to Rex's muscled up wife kinda guy.

In other news, it has been revealed that those sweet stars and stripes pants were the runner up pattern in the design our new winter jacket competition.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Haha! Well, most people didn't catch in that movie that Rico was actually having sex with all those women to get them to buy the tupperware! He's alot smarter than you think! (except for the granny at the end)

 

[DirtyBeech]

That's it. I'm going into tupperware sales.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

A better Flex? What is so bad with Flex right now? Were well paid, have plenty of time off, fly great equipment and have a great management team. Who cares about the Global. One fleet type won't make or break our company. No one lied to us or misled us. Bombardier is in business to sell airplanes! They're not in the fractional business. Fred, Dave and Tom may be SOB's, but at least they're are SOB's! Flex will be around for a long time.

While the real DS might be a slimy, clueless and argumentative SOB I can't for one second believe that post is actually from him. Anyone with half a brain would see there's no upside to a post like that.

I will at least give that much to Waterview - I don't think they're purposefully stupid...

 

[Dooker]

Disregard.

 

[doh]

Hmmmm

Hmmmm indeed. Even with a union on the property, we are only an agent of the 135 certificate holder because we are owned by a foreign parent company. Therein lies the anxiety. My best interpretation is we are not a covered carrier unless 91k operations are included in the definition. Anyone know if 91k is in that section of the CFRs?

 

[BARNSTORM]

91K is a past fad. I'm sorry to say this, but its happing right before our eyes. I mean nobody wants to buy into this crap.

 

[fugazi]

91K is a past fad. I'm sorry to say this, but its happing right before our eyes. I mean nobody wants to buy into this crap.

And you know this because? You're in card sales/frac sales? I suppose owning your own airplane is more cost effective? Or, just roll the dice on a shaddy charter company? Better yet, airline through a hub to get to your meeting? My money is on this sector growing at a high pace within the next 5 years!

 

[bunman45]

As long as there are rich people, there will be fractional companies. How many will survive this economy? Your guess is as good as mine. The best advice my flying mentors gave me was save your fu%^ing money! Oh, and don't fart in the cockpit! I've only followed one of those two pieces of advice though.

 

[BARNSTORM]

The latest at flexjet is:.......................FR is a gaybe!!!!!

 

[GUMP_check]

Whats the recall at now? Any hiring in the future?