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The Associated Press September 7, 2011, 12:27PM ET
Southwest hopes new planes will help profitability

By DAVID KOENIG


DALLAS
Southwest Airlines Co. expects to take delivery of its first Boeing 737-800 next March and get 25 of the new, larger planes next year to help boost its financial results.

Southwest chief financial officer Laura Wright said Wednesday that the company expects to eventually own 100 of the 737-800s.
Since they hold more passengers and burn less fuel per passenger than the 737s they will replace, Wright said they should help the airline both increase revenue and control costs.

The company also expects eventually to retire smaller, less-economical Boeing 717 jets that it obtained when it bought AirTran Airways in May, but that will take several years, Wright said.

Wright made the comments at an investor conference in New York shortly after Southwest reported its August traffic numbers. The company said traffic on Southwest and AirTran rose a combined 3.9 percent compared with a year ago.

A key revenue measure -- passenger revenue per mile -- grew even faster, about 6 percent. That's a closely watched number in the airline industry, and reports from Southwest and US Airways suggested healthy travel demand and higher prices than a year ago.

Southwest set several quarterly records for revenue in April through June. But higher costs -- especially for fuel -- caused it to miss Wall Street profit targets. The company is looking to the new planes and growth in key markets including Atlanta and Dallas to improve results.

It's also putting the brakes on growth in 2012. Wright said Southwest still expects its passenger-carrying capacity next year to be the same as, or even slightly below, 2011 levels. If other airlines also hold the line on capacity, the resulting limit on the supply of seats could push up fares.
In the current quarter, which ends Sept. 30, Southwest might get a break on fuel after oil prices fell this summer. In July, Southwest estimated it would pay $3.30 per gallon for jet fuel in the third quarter; on Wednesday, Wright put the price between $3.20 and $3.30 per gallon.

Wright also said Southwest has spent $144 million buying back shares in recent weeks. The company announced Aug. 5 that it would buy back up to $500 million of its own shares, a tactic companies use to appease shareholders because it can make existing shares more valuable.
Southwest authorized a similar $500 million program in 2008 but dropped it after spending just $54 million to save money as fuel prices rose and the economy soured.

Wright said Southwest has $4.1 billion in unrestricted cash and investments, "and certainly our goal is to maintain a comfortable level of core cash and liquidity as we venture into the uncertainties of today's economic environment."





Sounds like SWA has enough cash to pay the Airtran guys the same as the Southwest guys? If the ISL offer isn't right, one option would be to take it all the way to arbitration, and then wait it out. As the 717s leave, 737s would come in, and your seniority could be a lot better for the rest of your careers. It's up to you, but I think SWA intends to keep Airtran, especially after reading this article. Think marathon, not a sprint. Good luck FANTASTIC PEOPLE!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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You sound a lot like that broken record OYS. Are you two cousins? ;) The Airtran pilots certainly can take your "advice" and take it to arbitration. Good luck with that. See you in ATL soon. :D

Bye Bye GL
 
Only a troll could read that article and spin it to the Airtran guys by saying don't worry, play hardball,your jobs are guaranteed safe and secure. Keep listening to OYS/General Lee......roll the dice......what could possibly go wrong?

Remember. Worst case scenario for some SWA guys...We lose some seniority.
Worst case scenario for most Air Tran guys...they lose a career.

GODSPEED!
 
You sound a lot like that broken record OYS. Are you two cousins? ;) The Airtran pilots certainly can take your "advice" and take it to arbitration. Good luck with that. See you in ATL soon. :D

Bye Bye GL

If your next offer is as bad as the first, maybe they will. And I have talked at length with OYS, and he and I have a lot of the same views about how much fun this is watching SWA pilots squirm, especially after how cocky they are on this website. Fun times.

I can't wait to see you guys in ATL, although you may have to look quick to see me, I tend to fly to far away lands with only 1 leg per day, and then get to come home and see how much of a clusterfutch your merger is turning out to be. Anything awarded to the Airtran guys that is better than your first offer is a total WIN for them, and you may feel it. Have a fantastic day, I will.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Only a troll could read that article and spin it to the Airtran guys by saying don't worry, play hardball,your jobs are guaranteed safe and secure. Keep listening to OYS/General Lee......roll the dice......what could possibly go wrong?

Remember. Worst case scenario for some SWA guys...We lose some seniority.
Worst case scenario for most Air Tran guys...they lose a career.

GODSPEED!

Lose a career? The 717s would be replaced one for one with 737s, and if you go to arbitration, the arbitrators will TELL you how it will go. It would be binding, meaning you can try to escape, but that award would be over your heads for years, and that means anything you try to change via contracts etc, couldn't be done until you accept the award. Look at USAir for an example. YOU LOSE. The Airtran guys will stick around, and you may lose a lot of seniority compared to your first offer. Speaking of losing a career, did you really fly Eastern DC-6s?



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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And you do it for the salary of a second year b737 f/o flying to Lubbock.

No wait, I looked at the Delta pay scales. I was too generous.
 
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If your next offer is as bad as the first, maybe they will. And I have talked at length with OYS, and he and I have a lot of the same views about how much fun this is watching SWA pilots squirm, especially after how cocky they are on this website. Fun times.

I can't wait to see you guys in ATL, although you may have to look quick to see me, I tend to fly to far away lands with only 1 leg per day, and then get to come home and see how much of a clusterfutch your merger is turning out to be. Anything awarded to the Airtran guys that is better than your first offer is a total WIN for them, and you may feel it. Have a fantastic day, I will.


Bye Bye---General Lee

And you do it for the salary of a 1st year b737 F/O flying to Lubbock.
 
And you do it for the salary of a second year b737 f/o flying to Lubbock.

How do you know what I make? 2nd year FO to LBB? Really? I would think it is at least a 6-7 year FO! At least I don't have to go to LBB like you WILL if you do arbitration. LBB on Christmas will suck for you.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
And you do it for the salary of a 1st year b737 F/O flying to Lubbock.

Now it's a first year FO? From 2nd to 1st? You are starting to lose it. We all know that isn't true, maybe a 6 or 7 year FO. Still, not bad, and not worth going to LBB to see you sitting there, awaiting your flight to ABQ, and then LAS, and then SJC, and then SEA, and then GEG.....BORING.

How was that Eastern DC-6 going into Idlewild? What was New Amsterdam like back then?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Wow GL, you fly overseas? That's right, you can't give that away to RJ's yet. You're my hero. Next you can brag about 15000+ post on FI alone. :eek:

You seem obsessed with this whole deal, more so than most Airtran and Southwest pilots I know. Good for you. You might hit that 20,000th post before this closes.

Best of luck Lee. :D
 
My d!ck is bigger than yours because I make more money. No, mine is bigger than YOURS because I fly a bigger airplane. Geez. Get over yourselves. Why can't you just be happy with the company you're at and the job you do without trying to rub someone else's face in it?
 
Wow GL, you fly overseas? That's right, you can't give that away to RJ's yet. You're my hero. Next you can brag about 15000+ post on FI alone. :eek:

You seem obsessed with this whole deal, more so than most Airtran and Southwest pilots I know. Good for you. You might hit that 20,000th post before this closes.

Best of luck Lee. :D

Maybe you haven't been paying attention, oh wait, you are a corndog (makes sense), but RJs are leaving at a record pace. Comair is down to 44 RJs and falling. Lee gets to see the World, while you get to see America, 5 legs a day at a time, in the same plane, for the rest of your career. That means boredom, and then frustration when you continually review your eventual seniority list. You really could lose a lot of seniority, and add plenty of stagnation to your career if this does end up in arbitration. No movement, few retirements, one fleet type, ELP, and maybe being bumped down to the 717 eventually. No wonder you're livid and sad. I can't wait to bid international flying and then have the choice to return to domestic when I feel like it. Enjoy the few extra dollars you make that get taxed anyway. Boredom is in your future.


Godspeed!


OYS
 
And what ever you do,listen Gen Lee/OYS. She is always right. Stick it to SWA!

Sasha,

We all can't wait to see your reaction when the ISL is finalized. Oh wait, you probably won't post for months after that. Popcorn ready!


Godspeed!


OYS
 
This message is hidden because On Your Six is on your ignore list.

It's about time you switched to OYS because no one else agrees with you anymore GL.

Let me guess...blah, blah, blah, arbitration, blah, blah, blah. Am I close?

Bye Bye Godspeed
 
My d!ck is bigger than yours because I make more money. No, mine is bigger than YOURS because I fly a bigger airplane. Geez. Get over yourselves. Why can't you just be happy with the company you're at and the job you do without trying to rub someone else's face in it?


This is all due to how the SWA guys acted after the AT announcement, and how poorly they currently treat those guys. Everyone thought they had the perfect culture, which has now been sullied. They are now the "Evil Empire" and many on here are watching to see what happens next. Their bad attitude started this, and will end it.


Godspeed!


OYS
 
If your next offer is as bad as the first, maybe they will. And I have talked at length with OYS, and he and I have a lot of the same views about how much fun this is watching SWA pilots squirm, especially after how cocky they are on this website. Fun times.

I can't wait to see you guys in ATL, although you may have to look quick to see me, I tend to fly to far away lands with only 1 leg per day, and then get to come home and see how much of a clusterfutch your merger is turning out to be. Anything awarded to the Airtran guys that is better than your first offer is a total WIN for them, and you may feel it. Have a fantastic day, I will.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Gl/oys,

You have been around for awhile, and nearly a decade ago your posts were well thought, informative, and respectable. I don't know what has happened since... You have an alter ego you converse with (your grammar, cadence, flow, and syntax are identical), you spout nonsense repetitively, and generally have lost whatever self respect you might have had.

We and our brothers at AT have some fist fights ahead, but after it is all over I expect we will shake each other's bloody hands, and then go out and kick tail in Atlanta and beyond. Do us both a favor, get lost and worry about yourself. Your attempts at irritating all involved only reveal your own insecurities. Better yet, why not log off and go out and get some exercise. Take your alter ego with you.
 
Gl/oys,

You have been around for awhile, and nearly a decade ago your posts were well thought, informative, and respectable. I don't know what has happened since... You have an alter ego you converse with (your grammar, cadence, flow, and syntax are identical), you spout nonsense repetitively, and generally have lost whatever self respect you might have had.

We and our brothers at AT have some fist fights ahead, but after it is all over I expect we will shake each other's bloody hands, and then go out and kick tail in Atlanta and beyond. Do us both a favor, get lost and worry about yourself. Your attempts at irritating all involved only reveal your own insecurities. Better yet, why not log off and go out and get some exercise. Take your alter ego with you.

I am allowed to comment on whatever topic I want. The way you are treating your future brothers will NOT just go away, and it is appearing like your situation could mirror USAir's. How's that going for them these days? And SWA has already stated that ATL will downsize crews, and since you haven't been there in awhile, 20 min or even 30 min turns will really be a challenge for you at the World's busiest airport. You can try though, and paying those current AT ground employees double what they currently make may help, but those low fares may have to increase to help pay for that. Your LCC status is in question.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
This is all due to how the SWA guys acted after the AT announcement, and how poorly they currently treat those guys. Everyone thought they had the perfect culture, which has now been sullied. They are now the "Evil Empire" and many on here are watching to see what happens next. Their bad attitude started this, and will end it.


Godspeed!


OYS

Well stated OYS.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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