Unneeded pain and cost for Pinnacle Corp. Airlines

[altimaklr]

Pinnacle Corp = jet-4-jobs for mesaba Saab captains.

 

[DoinTime]

This is the agreement we all signed on to, it should remain

No....The agreement should reflect the will of ITS PILOTS. Not individuals on the MECs, not individuals on whatever committees, not special interest groups, and especially not some staffers working at ALPA national.

This provision should be stricken. Senior pilots already had (and will continue to have) ample opportunity to bid these positions and they refused. Junior pilots should not have to suffer and be forced out of their positions of choosing just so some senior schmuck can retain all the choices in the world whenever he wants to make them.

 

[Flyer1015]

Um, can anyone else say conflict-of-interest by having a Mesaba guy Frank as the one who handles these vacancy awards, and not a Pinnacle or Colgan guy? Given the fact that no Pinnacle pilots were displaced out of the jet and that not a single Pinnacle pilot got awarded a Captain seat on the Saab, it is fairly obvious that the Mesaba MEC/merger committee members must have provided their interpretation of the award to Frank himself.

How else could this eff-up happen?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Um, can anyone else say conflict-of-interest by having a Mesaba guy Frank as the one who handles these vacancy awards, and not a Pinnacle or Colgan guy? Given the fact that no Pinnacle pilots were displaced out of the jet and that not a single Pinnacle pilot got awarded a Captain seat on the Saab, it is fairly obvious that the Mesaba MEC/merger committee members must have provided their interpretation of the award to Frank himself.

How else could this eff-up happen?

Send your complaints to Phil the clown, he and his manager selection comittee chose Frank to be the VP in charge of crew management (basically the head of all crew planning in corp.)

 

[bri5150]

Um, can anyone else say conflict-of-interest by having a Mesaba guy Frank as the one who handles these vacancy awards, and not a Pinnacle or Colgan guy? Given the fact that no Pinnacle pilots were displaced out of the jet and that not a single Pinnacle pilot got awarded a Captain seat on the Saab, it is fairly obvious that the Mesaba MEC/merger committee members must have provided their interpretation of the award to Frank himself.

How else could this eff-up happen?

So, would having a Pinnacle guy do the awards not be a conflict of interest then? I don't understand your reasoning. Someone higher than Frank though he was the best to keep for that position, so he is the one that is figuring out this mess. I can tell you Frank doesn't care about me any more than Joe Blow from Pinnacle. They are all names and numbers. The process is pretty cut and dry (even if it is a mess). I am sorry Pinnacle's MEC took the stance that Saabs don't exist in negotiations (from what I hear). I am pretty sure that's why Bloch fenced Pinnacle off of them.

 

[altimaklr]

I think a lot of people are starting to realize this could easily be the beginning of the FINAL downfall of Pinnacle Corp. The ultra slim profit margin we have can not cover this massive amount of retraining, month after month, lack of productivity/downtime, on top of new high pay and work rules. Something will snap. Probably soon.

 

[flyn96]

No....The agreement should reflect the will of ITS PILOTS. Not individuals on the MECs, not individuals on whatever committees, not special interest groups, and especially not some staffers working at ALPA national.

This provision should be stricken. Senior pilots already had (and will continue to have) ample opportunity to bid these positions and they refused. Junior pilots should not have to suffer and be forced out of their positions of choosing just so some senior schmuck can retain all the choices in the world whenever he wants to make them.

Um, no for 2 years Mesaba 900's were staffed by displacements off the Saab. There were no vacancies. I was stuck on the Saab with 11 days off while people several HUNDRED numbers junior to me were getting more days off and more pay. All because I was too senior to get displaced. Pilots of similar seniority were making 35K more per year. So the old book cost me $70,000.

Current book honors seniority. Thats the way it should be. Thats the way it works in the majority of airline world. People get bumped deal with it!!!

 

[Yodafly]

Um, no for 2 years Mesaba 900's were staffed by displacements off the Saab. There were no vacancies. I was stuck on the Saab with 11 days off while people several HUNDRED numbers junior to me were getting more days off and more pay. All because I was too senior to get displaced. Pilots of similar seniority were making 35K more per year. So the old book cost me $70,000.

Current book honors seniority. Thats the way it should be. Thats the way it works in the majority of airline world. People get bumped deal with it!!!

I agree,

some day you too will want to honor seniority

 

[Flyprdu]

You idiots will be the downfall of Pinnacle, as you were the downfall of Mesaba, MAIR, etc.

 

[bri5150]

You idiots will be the downfall of Pinnacle, as you were the downfall of Mesaba, MAIR, etc.

More name calling with no reasoning why.

 

[higney85]

At least one prediction was right... Only the top 2 are happy in the end. I always thought it would be only #1.

 

[DoinTime]

Um, no for 2 years Mesaba 900's were staffed by displacements off the Saab. There were no vacancies. I was stuck on the Saab with 11 days off while people several HUNDRED numbers junior to me were getting more days off and more pay. All because I was too senior to get displaced. Pilots of similar seniority were making 35K more per year. So the old book cost me $70,000.

That problem was fixed with the addition of a pinnacle provision that allowed senior pilots to assume the displacement of a junior pilot. It has nothing to do with huge amount of secondary displacements seen on this award.

 

[jamiestrat]

You idiots will be the downfall of Pinnacle, as you were the downfall of Mesaba, MAIR, etc.

The downfall of Pinnacle came the moment Trenany and his goons decided to buy (or were given) Mesaba. They didn't have their own house in order and it has been nothing but a cluster since July 2010. THEY brought down Pinnacle, not the XJ pilots.

 

[jynxyjericho]

The downfall of Pinnacle came the moment Trenany and his goons decided to buy (or were given) Mesaba. They didn't have their own house in order and it has been nothing but a cluster since July 2010. THEY brought down Pinnacle, not the XJ pilots.

I'd also like to add that the REASON we make those provisions in the contract isn't to destroy the company, it gives us bargaining capital later on in the game. Pinnacle Corp could save millions talking to the union and getting relief through some deal, it sounds like the new CEO is actually open to that.

Phil-do got us in this mess, you'll forgive me if I'm not the first one in line willing to give Corp contract concessions due to their poor planning. Maybe stupid red neck corp should have gone to college and studied rather than doing coke all week but sunday. Why the same online voices from Pinnacle continue to rage against the Mesaba pilots and the contract is beyond me. Let the adults handle this. If you want to get run over by a company GoJets is hiring. A few clowns on here seem to have the same solution to every problem management gets themselves into, "give them whatever they want!!@!"

 

[bri5150]

That problem was fixed with the addition of a pinnacle provision that allowed senior pilots to assume the displacement of a junior pilot. It has nothing to do with huge amount of secondary displacements seen on this award.

How did that become a Pinnacle provision? We were doing it before the merger as well. Am I not right about that? I thought with the latest round of furloughs, our union started looking at that.