The Deal

[Widow's Son]

Deleted by request

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

1000 shares...that's it.....I'm voting no

 

[cappydd]

u are full of sh@t.

 

[ngsp]

deleted

 

[Red Baron]

You made it all up.

 

[waveflyer]

Interesting. But both sides have been explicit in their requests to not discuss specific SLI theories. Waiting sucks- but whether this is real or imagined- exposing it to FI does no good. Let our NC's present us at the right time. This thread should die.

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

You might want to vote on plan A, because you are not going to like plan B. Go ahead and test Mr. Kelly see if it works!

 

[dicko]

You might want to vote on plan A, because you are not going to like plan B. Go ahead and test Mr. Kelly see if it works!

You mean the same Mr Kelly that told our entire MEC a few days ago; 'Our plan is to integrate you. Even if this goes to arbitration'.

He said there was no plan to operate us separately.

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

Were you there? Or was it rumored he said that?....exactly

 

[dicko]

Were you there? Or was it rumored he said that?....exactly

That's a fair question. Straight from the mouth of an elected rep who heard him say it. I trust him.

No, they don't invite me to these gatherings. I don't do well in crowds

 

[amF16]

You mean the same Mr Kelly that told our entire MEC a few days ago; 'Our plan is to integrate you. Even if this goes to arbitration'.

He said there was no plan to operate us separately.

Just remember plans are not legally binding and plans can always change.

 

[dicko]

Just remember plans are not legally binding and plans can always change.

Still trying huh ? Well, good on ya. Have at it.

I think he'll back you, until your play begins to cost the company money and a destruction of synergies. Then he'll integrate whether it's after arbitration or not.

In the end he'll do the right thing for the company and what he agreed to do in the first place.

I hope it doesn't go to arbitration. Recent events are pushing it towards that direction. They are still talking and that's a good thing.

 

[waveflyer]

Dicki- So now swa is all about short term money. Just an average corporation, with an average, greed oriented, $$s now CEO, always choosing money over all else?

 

[dicko]

Dicki- So now swa is all about short term money. Just an average corporation, with an average, greed oriented, $$s now CEO, always choosing money over all else?

Where did you get that out of my post ? You're projecting again. You've
resorted to calling people names now ?

I have a great deal of respect for SWA. I always have. I think he'll do everything he can for you whilst trying to achieve the goal of a successful and speedy integration.

That doesn't sound like your average CEO.

 

[swa737-700]

That's a fair question. Straight from the mouth of an elected rep who heard him say it. I trust him.

No, they don't invite me to these gatherings. I don't do well in crowds

Poor style of your rep to be talking about this outside of the committees. I give your rep more credit (and class) than that.

 

[dicko]

Poor style of your rep to be talking about this outside of the committees. I give your rep more credit (and class) than that.

The Rep is not a member of the Merger Committee. If that were not the case then I'd agree. They are not involved in negotiations between the two MC's.

The statement should be common knowledge and the threat of running us separately should not be used in SLI talks.

 

[Empennage]

The Rep is not a member of the Merger Committee. If that were not the case then I'd agree. They are not involved in negotiations between the two MC's.

The statement should be common knowledge and the threat of running us separately should not be used in SLI talks.

Neither should reps leaking information.

 

[dicko]

Neither should reps leaking information.

Great. We've agreed then.

 

[GlobeIII]

Deleted??? Oh man!!! where are the screen grabs..nothin' disappears from the internet does it? haha!

 

[SKC]

I'm ready for this integration to be over so we don't have to keep hearing the word "synergies" anymore.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Poor style of your rep to be talking about this outside of the committees. I give your rep more credit (and class) than that.

Where did shootr get his information that the AAI MC rejected GK's offer? He posted it Thurs. night and then deleted it shortly thereafter. Does he have an ALPA rep in his pocket, did he hear it in confidence from an airtran buddy and then go post it on a public forum, or did it come from one of your own? I agree, bad form no matter what.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=142746&page=4

 

[Flycatcher99]

I'm ready for this integration to be over so we don't have to keep hearing the word "synergies" anymore.

Yeah, well, that may be true, but the devil is in the details.

 

[waveflyer]

Where did you get that out of my post ? You're projecting again. You've
resorted to calling people names now ?

I have a great deal of respect for SWA. I always have. I think he'll do everything he can for you whilst trying to achieve the goal of a successful and speedy integration.

That doesn't sound like your average CEO.

Well put 2 & 2 together then. You have the chance to be integrated fairly. But it is your responsibility to recognize fair.

For the record "i" & "o" are right next to each other if "Dicki" is supposed to be worse than "dicko"-

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Well put 2 & 2 together then. You have the chance to be integrated fairly. But it is your responsibility to recognize fair.

For the record "i" & "o" are right next to each other if "Dicki" is supposed to be worse than "dicko"-

Wave, we all have a responsibility to recognize what is fair if we're given the opportunity to vote.

I thought Dicki was your term of endearment.

 

[Empennage]

Wave, we all have a responsibility to recognize what is fair if we're given the opportunity to vote.

I thought Dicki was your term of endearment.

This is a very good point L. You should be given that opportunity.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

This is a very good point L. You should be given that opportunity.

Just to be clear, the only way we'll vote on it is if our MC's deem it worthy. I'm fine with that, my MC speaks for me.

 

[Empennage]

Just to be clear, the only way we'll vote on it is if our MC's deem it worthy. I'm fine with that, my MC speaks for me.

Talking points

Yes they have an obligation (or duty) to fairly represent you. I would hope they give each and everyone of you an opportunity to decide your future, regardless of their opinion. Membership ratification is a very powerful tool.

To be fair, same goes for SWAPA and the SWAPA BOD. I would like an opportunity to vote on my future.

Just to be clear, anything else would be a cop-out.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Talking points

Yes they have an obligation (or duty) to fairly represent you. I would hope they give each and everyone of you an opportunity to decide your future, regardless of their opinion. Membership ratification is a very powerful tool.

To be fair, same goes for SWAPA and the SWAPA BOD. I would like an opportunity to vote on my future.

Just to be clear, anything else would be a cop-out.

Uh, that's the point, if thier opinion is that it's a good deal, we'll vote on it. If not, we won't. That's the point in having a merger/negotiating committee as opposed to all 7000 of us duking it out for position. Isn't it the same with you guys? Would your NC put out a proposal for a vote that in their opinion was not a good deal for you guys?

 

[saabcaptain]

It's complicated Luv2BFlying but in general yes, our BOD would only put out a good deal UNLESS... they felt the deal was the "best" offer considering the complicated environment, ie. legal issues, company issues, and career implications but wasn't necessarily what they expected everyone to call "good" and then they would put it out with all the pros & cons and say "we need you to decide now how we move forward because this is too critical."

The problem I think you'll find is that AirTran expectations aren't realistic in many ways, and that is frankly the fault of ALPA who has spent 6 months promising things that won't ever be delivered, not by SWAPA, not by a law, not by a contract, not by an arbitrator, and most certainly not by Gary Kelly and SWA. Based on everything I know about my company, what makes it unique, is our company will not allow our existing pilots to suffer delayed upgrades and the accompanying loss in pay, along with slowed progression in QOL to insert acquired pilots ahead of them, pilots already getting in some cases 80% pay and benefit raises along with massively improved QOL in terms of days off, domicile selection, work rules and so on. They won't allow it, and they will do whatever it takes in the end to protect us.

Someday I hope to see AirTran pilots as SWA pilots because when that happens, SWA will protect them and care for them in the same way. I LUV my company because they treat us like family.

 

[jonjuan]

It's complicated Luv2BFlying but in general yes, our BOD would only put out a good deal UNLESS... they felt the deal was the "best" offer considering the complicated environment, ie. legal issues, company issues, and career implications but wasn't necessarily what they expected everyone to call "good" and then they would put it out with all the pros & cons and say "we need you to decide now how we move forward because this is too critical."

The problem I think you'll find is that AirTran expectations aren't realistic in many ways, and that is frankly the fault of ALPA who has spent 6 months promising things that won't ever be delivered, not by SWAPA, not by a law, not by a contract, not by an arbitrator, and most certainly not by Gary Kelly and SWA. Based on everything I know about my company, what makes it unique, is our company will not allow our existing pilots to suffer delayed upgrades and the accompanying loss in pay, along with slowed progression in QOL to insert acquired pilots ahead of them, pilots already getting in some cases 80% pay and benefit raises along with massively improved QOL in terms of days off, domicile selection, work rules and so on. They won't allow it, and they will do whatever it takes in the end to protect us.

Someday I hope to see AirTran pilots as SWA pilots because when that happens, SWA will protect them and care for them in the same way. I LUV my company because they treat us like family.

You flew saabs then "earned" your job at sw? LOLOLOL..........