SWA yes vote:

[RLAblows]

It was great. You?

It really sux that you can't buy bottle rockets anymore.

 

[bravodude]

Just wanted to "Mark your word" and ask for more info. This is the first I've heard of this threat. Please quote from the applicable documents in writing as to how this may occur. Thanks in advance.

Sorry no more info for you. You will not get any applicable documents. Nice try! As for me after last week I feel a lot better. Just keep "flexing your muscle" I'm sure it will all work out.

 

[ivauir]

It really sux that you can't buy bottle rockets anymore.

It is so dry where I am that we couldn't have any fireworks! No big deal though, I played with the kids in the pool. Freedom, friends and family. The fireworks are just a bonus.

 

[RLAblows]

It is so dry where I am that we couldn't have any fireworks! No big deal though, I played with the kids in the pool. Freedom, friends and family. The fireworks are just a bonus.

Very nice!

 

[On Your Six]

It needs to end with a negotiated agreement.

How about it goes to abritration, then it's time to negotiate all the other intangibles on the AAI side. Things like 717 payrates, fences, and even things as simple as a probation period, and it goes on and on. After the SLI comes out from the arbitor, who gets to decide these things?

Does the simple posting of an ISL by an arbitor panel automatically cause SWAPA to pull a USair move? I don't think so. There are alot more moving parts than that.

RF

Was there a reason you didn't do the joint contract first, like the only successful merger integration so far? Oh yeah, you were hoping to use your higher pay as an issue in your SLI with a possible arbitrator. Too bad the last arbitrator with PNCL and Colgan didn't seem to care too much about that.


OYS

 

[ivauir]

Was there a reason you didn't do the joint contract first, like the only successful merger integration so far? Oh yeah, you were hiping to use your higher pay as an issue in your SLI with a possible arbitrator. Too bad the last arbitrator with PNCL and Colgan didn't seem to care too much about that.


OYS

You really should take the time to familiarize yourself with the basic elements of a topic if you are going to pontificate on that particular subject.

 

[On Your Six]

You really should take the time to familiarize yourself with the basic elements of a topic if you are going to pontificate on that particular subject.

Did you do a joint contract first, before the SLI? No. Who did and was successful the first time around? What did the latest arbitrated result say about lower paying Colgan blending in with higher paid jet Captains? You are the one who needs to look this up. Precedent could be used.



OYS

 

[Flycatcher99]

Did you do a joint contract first, before the SLI? No. Who did and was successful the first time around? What did the latest arbitrated result say about lower paying Colgan blending in with higher paid jet Captains? You are the one who needs to look this up. Precedent could be used.



OYS

Are you hard of reading? Arbitration is not necessarily the end result here, and even if it is, the two operations may never be merged (by order of GK himself), and even if they are, there are many other issues that remain to be resolved than the ISL itself. If I were an AAI pilot, I would be very concerned about the SLI not getting resolved in the negotiation phase.

You know extremely little about this acquisition and its circumstances, OYS. Keep parroting "precedent". It doesn't make you look as smart as you think it does.

 

[redflyer65]

Was there a reason you didn't do the joint contract first, like the only successful merger integration so far? Oh yeah, you were hoping to use your higher pay as an issue in your SLI with a possible arbitrator. Too bad the last arbitrator with PNCL and Colgan didn't seem to care too much about that.


OYS

Because we already have a contract OYS...what don't you understand? The trannies can help us craft the rest NOW, or we can get the ISL from the arbitor and SWAPA will craft it for them. And before someone jumps up and down and says I'm threating them...I'm just stating the way it's setup.

Just shows how clueless you are about what's going on here OYS.

RF

 

[Skybus]

And you worry about AAI pilots ruining the SWA culture! Great attitude.

Old Man, Put you reading glasses on please. He is "pretending" to be a SW Pilot in this exercise. Point is who cares what HE thinks? Not at all the prevailing attitude.

Bus

 

[ivauir]

Did you do a joint contract first, before the SLI? No. Who did and was successful the first time around? What did the latest arbitrated result say about lower paying Colgan blending in with higher paid jet Captains? You are the one who needs to look this up. Precedent could be used.



OYS

Some people believe you should be familiar with all the moving parts before formulating an opinion. I guess when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Possible is the key word.

Again, you are correct concerning the integration. However the steps to that point, negotiations, mediation, and arbitration, are set in stone. Where is it described differently than in the process agreement. Sounds like more baseless threats as some of you feel as if you are running out of options. Redflyer gets it as displayed in his post as he mentions arbitration, is he wrong?

 

[Full of LUV]

Because we already have a contract OYS...what don't you understand? The trannies can help us craft the rest NOW, or we can get the ISL from the arbitor and SWAPA will craft it for them. And before someone jumps up and down and says I'm threating them...I'm just stating the way it's setup.

Just shows how clueless you are about what's going on here OYS.

RF

This appears to be the difference. According to you it's SWAPA and SWA vs. AAI ALPA.

In DAL/NW case it was basically DALPA & NWALPA vs Mgmt. So the ALPA groups used the "savings" of integration to achieve contract improvements for the whole group of pilots in the end.

SWAPA (through your posts) seems to be saying, we don't want anything to integrate with AAI from mgmt except help by putting our boot on their neck.

Hope for the industry sake your strategy works out. A divided SWA will not serve the profession for anyone else.
LUV

 

[ASADFW7]

This is a stupid thread, a waste of time.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

This is a stupid thread, a waste of time.

Only This one?

 

[redflyer65]

According to you it's SWAPA and SWA vs. AAI ALPA.

I'd say SW management might be providing some tailwinds to SWAPA, wouldn't you? If not, you're more than welcome to your opition, but I'd say you might want to open your eyes.

Or is it SWAPA vs AAI ALPA and SW? How many times has AAI ALPA met with SW management?

Push SW management too far and see how that works out for you...I have a pretty good feeling it won't.

You want to call it a boot on the neck, I call it negotiation leverage. It's just the fact of how things are set up.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'd say SW management might be providing some tailwinds to SWAPA, wouldn't you? If not, you're more than welcome to your opition, but I'd say you might want to open your eyes.

Or is it SWAPA vs AAI ALPA and SW? How many times has AAI ALPA met with SW management?

Push SW management too far and see how that works out for you...I have a pretty good feeling it won't.

You want to call it a boot on the neck, I call it negotiation leverage. It's just the fact of how things are set up.

You and the other like minded individuals have exhibited nothing that resembles the great Southwest culture. Southwest Management is embarrassed by you.

 

[redflyer65]

Kharma,

You quoted me...tell exactly which part I got wrong? Not because you may or may not like it, but just the facts. (PS- I would have never used the term 'boot on your neck', but your guy did.)

RF

 

[Kharma Police]

Kharma,

You quoted me...tell exactly which part I got wrong? Not because you may or may not like it, but just the facts. (PS- I would have never used the term 'boot on your neck', but your guy did.)

RF

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

 

[Muppets]

If you or the others were sitting in Gary Kelly's office, would you think he would be happy or embarrassed with your posts about us?

Good point! Dont let Dad know your screen name.