SWA yes vote:

[Crash Pad]

So I'm sitting here thinking what would it take to get a yes vote from a SWA pilot. So I pretend I am one. Lets say they hand me a list and I move down 1 number. I would vote no.

Why vote yes? Nothing changes in my world. So it goes to arbitration... Now I move down say 10 numbers. I would file lawsuits and pull a USAir. Nothing changes in my world.

I would then hope that someone gets fed up with the situation and just makes Airtran go away. If not, eventually we merge ten years down the road and I move down a couple numbers.

In this short thought exercise I discovered that you couldn't possibly get my yes vote... Let alone 50%. So with that in mind how does it end?

 

[TWA Dude]

Pilots with integrity don't "pull a USAir". NW/DL found the formula: make the arbitrated list effective immediately upon receipt. I'd expect nothing less from SW/AT.

 

[redflyer65]

It needs to end with a negotiated agreement.

How about it goes to abritration, then it's time to negotiate all the other intangibles on the AAI side. Things like 717 payrates, fences, and even things as simple as a probation period, and it goes on and on. After the SLI comes out from the arbitor, who gets to decide these things?

Does the simple posting of an ISL by an arbitor panel automatically cause SWAPA to pull a USair move? I don't think so. There are alot more moving parts than that.

RF

 

[OldManPilot]

So I'm sitting here thinking what would it take to get a yes vote from a SWA pilot. So I pretend I am one. Lets say they hand me a list and I move down 1 number. I would vote no.

Why vote yes? Nothing changes in my world. So it goes to arbitration... Now I move down say 10 numbers. I would file lawsuits and pull a USAir. Nothing changes in my world.

I would then hope that someone gets fed up with the situation and just makes Airtran go away. If not, eventually we merge ten years down the road and I move down a couple numbers.

In this short thought exercise I discovered that you couldn't possibly get my yes vote... Let alone 50%. So with that in mind how does it end?

And you worry about AAI pilots ruining the SWA culture! Great attitude.

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

with the age and senority of the SWA NC...being very young in age and relative senority on the SWA list, I can't see them throwing their own careers away...So I am not worried about the outcome.

 

[Crash Pad]

It needs to end with a negotiated agreement.

How about it goes to abritration, then it's time to negotiate all the other intangibles on the AAI side. Things like 717 payrates, fences, and even things as simple as a probation period, and it goes on and on. After the SLI comes out from the arbitor, who gets to decide these things?

Does the simple posting of an ISL by an arbitor panel automatically cause SWAPA to pull a USair move? I don't think so. There are alot more moving parts than that.

RF

Like I said I can't think of a negotiated agreement that can get 50% yes on the SWA side.

 

[redflyer65]

You maybe right. I'm hoping something can be worked out, but my crystal ball is a little fuzzy. Maybe we should all just go with the classic...Magic 8 ball.

RF

 

[MILF Hunter]

And you worry about AAI pilots ruining the SWA culture! Great attitude.

Easy there OldMan,

So I'm sitting here thinking what would it take to get a yes vote from a SWA pilot. So I pretend I am one. Lets say they hand me a list and I move down 1 number. I would vote no.

I think many of our pilots, particularly after reading last week's NC Update, will support a negotiated deal that is presented to us for voting.

 

[boeingdriver213]

How many times and how many ways will it take for you WN guys to back off the SLI talk, like YOUR union leadership thatise negotiating your future asked?

 

[benelli]

Not one to chime in often, but this deserves one. Love all this talk about SWA culture from a bunch of guys who have not a single clue what SWA culture is. Remember this. SWA is probably one of the best companies out there to work for. They respect their employees, treat them well and pay them well. I love working for this company. They are not that way to their competitors. They are ruthless with a smile. For the Airtran guys to think we will simply roll over and give you everything you want goes against our nature. Remember. Just because you are owned by a SUBSIDIARY of our does not make you a SWA employee, nor does it automatically make you entitled to what we have and have earned. This will not go to arbitration. We will do our best to make this as palatable as possible. We want all of you to be happy...truly. Mark my word. If you push this too far it will end before it goes to an arbitrator and we will all be at a loss. This airline has teeth. Don"t let ALPA, who knows you are gone the second an agreement is reached convince you otherwise.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Mark my word. If you push this too far it will end before it goes to an arbitrator and we will all be at a loss. This airline has teeth. Don"t let ALPA, who knows you are gone the second an agreement is reached convince you otherwise.

Just wanted to "Mark your word" and ask for more info. This is the first I've heard of this threat. Please quote from the applicable documents in writing as to how this may occur. Thanks in advance.

 

[redflyer65]

It's raining cold hard facts up in here..

Luv,

You can stick your head in the sand, or open your eyes..your choice. No threats, just the way it is.

 

[The Prussian]

Uh...did everybody have a good July 4th??...:cartman:

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

It's raining cold hard facts up in here..

Luv,

You can stick your head in the sand, or open your eyes..your choice. No threats, just the way it is.

Come on, some of you guys appear to be throwing poo at the wall and seeing what sticks. So far, none of it is, and it keeps getting more outrageous. How can this fit into the process agreement?

 

[Bill Nelson]

The process agreement is not an integration mandate.

 

[ivauir]

Uh...did everybody have a good July 4th??...:cartman:

It was great. You?

 

[Bob Dylan]

So I'm sitting here thinking what would it take to get a yes vote from a SWA pilot. So I pretend I am one. Lets say they hand me a list and I move down 1 number. I would vote no.

Why vote yes? Nothing changes in my world. So it goes to arbitration... Now I move down say 10 numbers. I would file lawsuits and pull a USAir. Nothing changes in my world.

I would then hope that someone gets fed up with the situation and just makes Airtran go away. If not, eventually we merge ten years down the road and I move down a couple numbers.

In this short thought exercise I discovered that you couldn't possibly get my yes vote... Let alone 50%. So with that in mind how does it end?

Gotta agree. If I were a SWA pilot I wouldn't accept anything less than a staple. I wouldn't vote for anything else or accept moving down one single number and wouldn't accept even one trannie senior to me. I would also gladly push this thing out for years and years. Sorry but that's the truth.

Trannies need to take a staple and get on the list. Gonna be ugly for them otherwise.

 

[Lonestar]

And you worry about AAI pilots ruining the SWA culture! Great attitude.

Maybe I am missing something, but isn't crashpad an AirTran pilot? If so, then you might want to reconsider...

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

The process agreement is not an integration mandate.

You are correct, it is not an integration mandate, but it does mandate the steps to a possible integration and negotiation, mediation, and arbitration are steps set out and agreed to by all parties. I don't think any party can just back out of the process until it has run it's course.

 

[Bill Nelson]

You are correct, it is not an integration mandate, but it does mandate the steps to a possible integration and negotiation, mediation, and arbitration are steps set out and agreed to by all parties..

Possible is the key word.