Fapa loa 67

[Flying Illini]

No flame, but why is Bedford really coming after the Frontier pilots when this 'company' involves plent of other employees. I did see were he stated he's going to ask for more concessions from others, but are ALL other Republic Holding pilots immune from this? Isn't money on one side just as important money on other side of the house?

Seems like he has squarely painted a bullseye on the backs of the F9 guys...and they are NOT over paid to begin with.

Sounds more like inept management than anything else....

I believe that BB has played nice with FAPA just to get them on his side. Once he gets what he wants the niceness will just fade away.

It is saddening to see F9 give *another* round of concessions.

He went after the F9 pilots b/c the native RAH pilots have nothing to give and even if we did we are so disenfranchised that we wouldn't give them anything.


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[Skippy]

Why even vote? We all know it will pass by a ridiculously large margin.
Pathetic. Who the f takes concessions now? In these times?
Its not the labor stupid. The labor needs to quit subsidizing inept mgmnt.

 

[ChinaClipper]

The RAH Guys have nothing they CAN "give!" After SIX YEARS OF IBT SECTION SIX, the only "concessions" possible involve gutting the FAR'S! That, my friends, is why the F9 guys are moving on, the IBT Arrogance had made BB, of ALL PEOPLE, a better bet than the IBT....wonder of all wonders....BTW Wanna bet the number of Airbus Training Manuals on Ebay will suddenly spike? Saluti!

 

[AirBill]

The RAH Guys have nothing they CAN "give!" After SIX YEARS OF IBT SECTION SIX, the only "concessions" possible involve gutting the FAR'S! That, my friends, is why the F9 guys are moving on, the IBT Arrogance had made BB, of ALL PEOPLE, a better bet than the IBT....wonder of all wonders....BTW Wanna bet the number of Airbus Training Manuals on Ebay will suddenly spike? Saluti!

Jeezus, Clipper, don't you have anything else to say? Or is this reply saved in a file somewhere?

I wish you no ill will, but I'm afraid you guys are going to see a different side of BB and Co. after the LOA passes. Because after he gets his way with 67, you'll see a steady supply of 68, 69, ...

What's sad is that most of us hoped to benefit from the experience of quote-unquote "mainline" union experience. So disappointed we were to see it held away from us out of spite. Get ready. You guys are about to get BOHICA'd, BB-style.

 

[Bolo]

Jeezus, Clipper, don't you have anything else to say? Or is this reply saved in a file somewhere?

I wish you no ill will, but I'm afraid you guys are going to see a different side of BB and Co. after the LOA passes. Because after he gets his way with 67, you'll see a steady supply of 68, 69, ...

What's sad is that most of us hoped to benefit from the experience of quote-unquote "mainline" union experience. So disappointed we were to see it held away from us out of spite. Get ready. You guys are about to get BOHICA'd, BB-style.

We(F9) appreciate your concern. Shouldn't you worry about your negotiations? How are they coming along?

 

[Dizel8]

AFAIK, no airline has ever been saved by employee give backs, but I wish you all the best! Rock and a hard place comes to mind!

 

[Axel]

The RAH contract is extremely weak. One of its greatest weaknesses is the inclusion of "conditional language" such as "best effort" and "when practicable." BB & co have applied this repeatedly to circumvent the intent of the language.

Without getting into the mainline v. RJ debate, the RAH pilots really do have a wealth of experience working under this management group. With (consistent) history as an indicator, allowing conditional language in any agreement with RAH management will result in them using the language to renege.

The F9 guys are certainly in an unenviable position. By all indicators, the branded side is struggling badly and its future is uncertain. A good faith effort by all parties to sacrifice in order to overcome hard times may be necessary to see Frontier survive and thrive. However the track record of this management group with regard to good faith, and especially when conditional language is involved, is not good.

The F9 guys can't be blamed for doing what they think is necessary to preserve the company and therefore their livelihoods, but they are "babes in the woods" when it comes to the tactics and strategies BB & co have employed to lower their labor costs. The RAH group has learned this through bitter experience. I truly hope this LOA is an exception.

 

[Shrek]

The RAH contract is extremely weak. One of its greatest weaknesses is the inclusion of "conditional language" such as "best effort" and "when practicable." BB & co have applied this repeatedly to circumvent the intent of the language.

Without getting into the mainline v. RJ debate, the RAH pilots really do have a wealth of experience working under this management group. With (consistent) history as an indicator, allowing conditional language in any agreement with RAH management will result in them using the language to renege.

The F9 guys are certainly in an unenviable position. By all indicators, the branded side is struggling badly and its future is uncertain. A good faith effort by all parties to sacrifice in order to overcome hard times may be necessary to see Frontier survive and thrive. However the track record of this management group with regard to good faith, and especially when conditional language is involved, is not good.

The F9 guys can't be blamed for doing what they think is necessary to preserve the company and therefore their livelihoods, but they are "babes in the woods" when it comes to the tactics and strategies BB & co have employed to lower their labor costs. The RAH group has learned this through bitter experience. I truly hope this LOA is an exception.

I think you summed that up PERFECTLY.........Good Luck guys the Rev is brutal.

 

[vetrider]

What's sad is that most of us hoped to benefit from the experience of quote-unquote "mainline" union experience. So disappointed we were to see it held away from us out of spite. Get ready. You guys are about to get BOHICA'd, BB-style.

That sounds like the bozos we had at AWA counting on the east to show us the way to deal with management and get a good contract.

 

[redflyer65]

Bedford is sooo far over his head it's insane. Good luck to the F9 guys, this looks like a slippery slope with a quick drop off. Not good.

RF