Frontier

[rogerwilcoout]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

Wow, Completely uncalled for.

 

[Flyer1015]

As an outsider, can some Frontier guy and a Republic guy explain what's going on?

1. Who are the 357?

2. Who is RPC?

3. After the one-list, who represents the entire pilot group? My understanding is it is one list upon achieving single-carrier status, and that has already happened. Between FAPA, IBT, UTA, what union represents the Republic Holdings group?

 

[sshrae]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

The best thing for Frontier would probably be to have rah sell them and move on from the being part of the worst company in the history of aviation.

 

[redflyer65]

Looks like the F9 guys agreed to some give backs (after a vote) for an equity stake in Frontier. But what would that be worth later? Standby..

Things are definitely heating up.

 

[clr4theapch]

The tone of this thread is getting out of hand... I would ask for some here to tone it down.. Unfortunatly for those offened here.. the FI TOS were not violated thus there is really nothing I can do about poor taste...

Please take a members words with a grain of salt, though they do create a certian persona here.. you can put some one on your ignor ls and not see their posts..

mod clr4

 

[Axel]

As an outsider, can some Frontier guy and a Republic guy explain what's going on?

1. Who are the 357?

2. Who is RPC?

3. After the one-list, who represents the entire pilot group? My understanding is it is one list upon achieving single-carrier status, and that has already happened. Between FAPA, IBT, UTA, what union represents the Republic Holdings group?

1 and 2: Long answer: IBT 357 is the current CHQ/Republic/Shuttle America (native RAH) Bargaining Agent and FAPA is the same for F9. There is a representation election in progress at this time to determine the single bargaining agent for the combined RAH/F9 group. RPC is a group who is trying to get the RAH and FAPA pilots into a coalition which keeps the RAH and F9 pilot groups as separate bargaining units, but combined as the single representative of all the pilots on the merged seniority list. 357 is trying to represent the combined group as a single bargaining unit. The election results should be out by the end of June.

1 and 2: Short answer: 357 and RPC are Itchy and Scratchy.

3: Long answer: The seniority list has been published, but does not go into effect until after the election determines the bargaining agent. I doubt we will ever see it happen. Death before dishonor and all that.

If you use the non-scientific sample of the same eight or nine people (RAH and F9) who post on this and other boards, there is strife, angst and hatred from here until the company finally finishes circling the drain and finally goes down it. At that point, the warring factions will switch from the current rhetoric regarding regional scum on one side and sleeping with the enemy on the other to rhetoric about whether the regional scum or management's prostitutes were the ones responsible for the ultimate demise and loss of everyone's jobs. Neither side will ever realize it was the fighting and that fighting takes two.

3: Short answer: Who wins the election is moot. Both sides have completely lost their minds and it will be the end of everybody.

Meanwhile, BB and WH will pull the ripcords on their golden parachutes and retire fabulously wealthy while the pilots blame each other for their poverty.

Me, I'm ex RAH and glad to be shed of the whole debacle.

 

[Flying Illini]

Wow, Completely uncalled for.

Agreed.

 

[obadie]

Rogerwilcoout the coward,
It takes a true self centered egotistical P.O.S to make a comment about an entire work group like that. I'm sure you could walk up to the F9 families and look them in the eyes and tell them they're getting what they deserve in your opinion. Your a true class act. By the way I'm not an F9 pilot. You should be careful for what you wish for, it could very easily be you tomorrow.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Rogerwilcoout the coward,
It takes a true self centered egotistical P.O.S to make a comment about an entire work group like that. I'm sure you could walk up to the F9 families and look them in the eyes and tell them they're getting what they deserve in your opinion. Your a true class act. By the way I'm not an F9 pilot. You should be careful for what you wish for, it could very easily be you tomorrow.

After they continually work with our management behind our backs and make deals..............that is what they are doing to OUR families. Frontier, when your time comes, I will be laughing my azz off. I really cannot wait. You are most certainly going to reap the benefits of your group circumnavigating another pilot group. Frontier pilots are the bottom of the barrel. How low can one go? FRONTIER.

 

[ChinaClipper]

One the brighter side, Rogers food stamps, WIC and Section 8 vouchers will come fight on time this month, as usual......With a personality like that, looks like little Roger is mad his ONLY chance at flying something other than an RJ is forever G O N E!

 

[N813CA]

Just like everyone cared about the Comair guys... Glad I am not there.

 

[ChinaClipper]

When Comair walked, I took a delay 19min. to get 4 pilots, Non-rev'n to walk the line, when the gate said NO! Got a letter in my file and a major rippin' fro the Chief Pilot.......I'd do it again.....

 

[Flying the Line]

http://www.bizjournals.com/mobile/d...ership-of-frontier-airlines-to.html?ana=yfcpc

Sorry, I couldn't copy and paste the story. Good luck Frontier.

 

[BORG]

You are most certainly going to reap the benefits of your group circumnavigating another pilot group. Frontier pilots are the bottom of the barrel. How low can one go? FRONTIER.

This is awesome coming from you!! I knew the day would come that the shoe would be on the other foot. I'm not saying Frontier is doing anything wrong, just trying to save their jobs... Isn't that what you always said?!

Karma is a bitch isn't it Roger... Best of luck to you though!

 

[The Drizzle]

Me, I'm ex RAH and glad to be shed of the whole debacle.

And boy do we miss you already.. I hope all is going well for you in class, home basing right?

 

[rogerwilcoout]

At the very moment we were picketing, they were behind closed doors with management trying to undercut us. Their day will be coming soon!

 

[BORG]

At the very moment we were picketing, they were behind closed doors with management trying to undercut us. Their day will be coming soon!

Undercut you?! I thought their pay scale was a fair bit higher than yours... Now if they did it for far less money that would be "undercutting".

 

[FastJP4]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

Maybe you should consider grabbing a box of Kleenex, wiping your tears, and move on yourself.

 

[terryhfly]

At the very moment we were picketing, they were behind closed doors with management trying to undercut us. Their day will be coming soon!

He is right FAPA is negotiating to fly 35 seat planes for $10 per hour for FOs and $12 for capt. Give it a rest, how is it you think we are trying to undercut you? It can't be done! KARMA is a B$*@) dude, watch out for it!!!

 

[GuppyWN]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

Who do you work for?

Gup

 

[Flyer1015]

1 and 2: Long answer: IBT 357 is the current CHQ/Republic/Shuttle America (native RAH) Bargaining Agent and FAPA is the same for F9. There is a representation election in progress at this time to determine the single bargaining agent for the combined RAH/F9 group. RPC is a group who is trying to get the RAH and FAPA pilots into a coalition which keeps the RAH and F9 pilot groups as separate bargaining units, but combined as the single representative of all the pilots on the merged seniority list. 357 is trying to represent the combined group as a single bargaining unit. The election results should be out by the end of June.

1 and 2: Short answer: 357 and RPC are Itchy and Scratchy.

3: Long answer: The seniority list has been published, but does not go into effect until after the election determines the bargaining agent. I doubt we will ever see it happen. Death before dishonor and all that.

If you use the non-scientific sample of the same eight or nine people (RAH and F9) who post on this and other boards, there is strife, angst and hatred from here until the company finally finishes circling the drain and finally goes down it. At that point, the warring factions will switch from the current rhetoric regarding regional scum on one side and sleeping with the enemy on the other to rhetoric about whether the regional scum or management's prostitutes were the ones responsible for the ultimate demise and loss of everyone's jobs. Neither side will ever realize it was the fighting and that fighting takes two.

3: Short answer: Who wins the election is moot. Both sides have completely lost their minds and it will be the end of everybody.

Meanwhile, BB and WH will pull the ripcords on their golden parachutes and retire fabulously wealthy while the pilots blame each other for their poverty.

Me, I'm ex RAH and glad to be shed of the whole debacle.

Thank you for the good post, I'm starting to see now. Best of luck to all parties!

 

[aussieflyboy]

At the very moment we were picketing, they were behind closed doors with management trying to undercut us. Their day will be coming soon!

Says the guy who flies an E170 for peanuts at the expense of a highly qualified, suitably paid major airline pilot who now sits at home in MKE reading the Employment section of the newspaper. You are a sickening individual.

 

[AirBill]

What kills me is you guys (FAPA) are buying BB's BS hook, line and sinker. I find it comical. You're so determined to keep this pilot group separate that you'll do anything, up to and including taking concessions for a stake in a company that's quickly becoming worthless.

I'd be a lot more concerned for your welfare if you hadn't treated us with contempt from the beginning. You might have even had a chance with FAPA as the bargaining rep if you guys hadn't tried to stick it to us at every turn. Oh well. Your chickens will be coming home to roost soon enough.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Again, the F9 guys have some wiggle room on pay, give up future increases for $$$.... the only way the IBT could provide "concessions" is to have the FAR's changed........the "bottom", is when the FAR's are the lower end of your work rules.... after SIX YEARS of "negotiations".... All that dues money for CORRUPTION, FRAUD and SCAMMING WHILE NATIONAL WATCHED.(helped?) a criminal enterprise worthy of Wall Street?.... and all for exactly WHAT? No JA? BB is laughing every day.....If you want an Airbus job, EARN IT! And to the chick who said "...I am gonna look GOOD in your seat...." Sorry honey, your gonna have take that Stripper Pole Mentality someplace else.....you just got Punk'd...

 

[stratus72]

Says the guy who flies an E170 for peanuts at the expense of a highly qualified, suitably paid major airline pilot who now sits at home in MKE reading the Employment section of the newspaper. You are a sickening individual.

Well said!

 

[jacksjj]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

Wow, this is completely out of line. I'm a RAH guy, and an IBT supporter but this goes too far.

Ever consider, even for a moment, that the "voice" of Frontier is a very vocal minority? I know quite a few F9 folks, and they are ALL stand up people. Even if they weren't, I wouldn't wish someone's family to starve. Keep it clean, you're making us all look bad.

 

[Popeye0537]

Says the guy who flies an E170 for peanuts at the expense of a highly qualified, suitably paid major airline pilot who now sits at home in MKE reading the Employment section of the newspaper. You are a sickening individual.

Pot meet ketel......just change the 170 for 145xr and reading the Houston chronicle employment section

 

[Bolo]

At the very moment we were picketing, they were behind closed doors with management trying to undercut us. Their day will be coming soon!

Your full of S-it! Where do you get your information?

 

[Bolo]

What kills me is you guys (FAPA) are buying BB's BS hook, line and sinker. I find it comical. You're so determined to keep this pilot group separate that you'll do anything, up to and including taking concessions for a stake in a company that's quickly becoming worthless.

I'd be a lot more concerned for your welfare if you hadn't treated us with contempt from the beginning. You might have even had a chance with FAPA as the bargaining rep if you guys hadn't tried to stick it to us at every turn. Oh well. Your chickens will be coming home to roost soon enough.

I am a 2001 hire at F9 and I am equivalent to a 2004 hire at RAH in seniority. Who is sticking to who Buddy!
Our chickens will not be coming to roost in your house.