i-pad/XM Weather

[flyingmk]

Ok, i-pad II's on the way. Have a current WX Worx subscription, which is almost i-pad ready. Have a Jepp View subscription. Have been using all on Motion Tabs for several years.

Any insight on steps to tie all this and GPS together on the i-pad??

 

[LJ45]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=133352 current thread

 

[flyingmk]

Most of that thread is out dated info.

 

[JJET44]

Last I heard XM sometime this quarter. We're waiting for this too!

 

[patq1]

Wxworx says late second quarter for xm weather on the ipad.

https://www.wxworx.com/images/news_room/MobileLink.pdf

 

[Bleeds On]

...which will be connected to the Mobile Link via USB. From there, the Mobile Link allows for one wireless connection to your choice of mobile device. A standard DC outlet is needed to power the Mobile Link device.

This is where I lose interest. Wires and boxes all over the cockpit and you can only connect with one device.
Btw, my 3G ipad does not get GPS signal in our 560XL. Might have to get a bad elf.

 

[pilot error]

This is where I lose interest. Wires and boxes all over the cockpit and you can only connect with one device.
Btw, my 3G ipad does not get GPS signal in our 560XL. Might have to get a bad elf.

Check into the Bluetooth one-
http://www.oasispilotsupply.com/products/GNS-5870-MFI-GPS-BT-Receiver-"waas"-Enabled..html

No wires, it's own battery rather than taking power from the iPad, works fine through heated windscreens.

I know I pumped this one in the other thread, but I have nothing to do with the company tha manufactures or sells it, I'm just really pleased with mine.

 

[Bleeds On]

Check into the Bluetooth one-
http://www.oasispilotsupply.com/products/GNS-5870-MFI-GPS-BT-Receiver-"waas"-Enabled..html

No wires, it's own battery rather than taking power from the iPad, works fine through heated windscreens.

I know I pumped this one in the other thread, but I have nothing to do with the company tha manufactures or sells it, I'm just really pleased with mine.

I plan on getting one. Just doubting it will ever get XM through it.

 

[ultrarunner]

Here is what we're planing depending upon how the XM wx box talks to the iPad.

Each of us has an iPad. We'll plan on one iPad talking to the bluetooth GNS GPS antenna and the other iPad talking to the WxWorx box. This should provided plenty of situational awareness as we'll have both AC position and WX info being displayed.

The WX works box is already hidden in it's own slot with AC and the new bluetooth box will be stashed with it. So in our case, everything is hidden away. The GNS antennas fit nicely in their holders on each side window. We're having the external XM/GPS Worx
antenna installed this month, so we'll ditch the dongle antenna that comes with the set up. I'd recommend this for anyone as you don't get full coverage with the internal antenna unless is looking reasonably close to south.


Ideally, you'd have AC position overlaid on the WX, and my gut tells me the iPad will pair with more than one bluetooth device, as it does now, i.e the GNS antenna AND a keyboard.

In any event, it will be nice to have the XM weather on the iPad and I suspect the interface will be MUCH nicer than it is on the Windows EFB. Can't wait to ditch it.

 

[LJ45]

Here is what we're planing depending upon how the XM wx box talks to the iPad.

Each of us has an iPad. We'll plan on one iPad talking to the bluetooth GNS GPS antenna and the other iPad talking to the WxWorx box. This should provided plenty of situational awareness as we'll have both AC position and WX info being displayed.

The WX works box is already hidden in it's own slot with AC and the new bluetooth box will be stashed with it. So in our case, everything is hidden away. The GNS antennas fit nicely in their holders on each side window. We're having the external XM/GPS Worx
antenna installed this month, so we'll ditch the dongle antenna that comes with the set up. I'd recommend this for anyone as you don't get full coverage with the internal antenna unless is looking reasonably close to south.


Ideally, you'd have AC position overlaid on the WX, and my gut tells me the iPad will pair with more than one bluetooth device, as it does now, i.e the GNS antenna AND a keyboard.

In any event, it will be nice to have the XM weather on the iPad and I suspect the interface will be MUCH nicer than it is on the Windows EFB. Can't wait to ditch it.

Not trying to be an A$$, but who is flying the airplane while you each play with your Ipads? I think XM weather is such a great tool, it's worth paying for a correct install on a proper display. JMHO

 

[ultrarunner]

Not trying to be an A$$,

Too late

...I think XM weather is such a great tool, it's worth paying for a correct install on a proper display. JMHO

Ok, define that and I'll be sure to get right on it.

 

[ultrarunner]

I plan on getting one. Just doubting it will ever get XM through it.

Bleeds, the GNS GPS receiver is only to get position information to your iPad. NOT XM weather.

WxWorks is making an additional interface box that will allow it's EXISTING WXWorx bluetooth box to talk to the iPad.

The WXWorx box has it's own antenna that talks directly to the XM satellite, while the GNS receiver receives data from the GNSS system.

Two separate issues.

 

[LJ45]

Too late



Ok, define that and I'll be sure to get right on it.

Hard mount, hard wired or new MFD that can display WX.

I didn't know you loved your IPAD that much But, the way you described one pilot looking at their position on one IPAD, while the other shows the WX on the other IPAD.... sounds like it COULD be a problem.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ahhh, I see. I think we'll be ok.

Thanks,

Ultra

 

[JJET44]

Hey LJ45,

Because it's hard mounted and hard wired, does that you mean that you play with it less?

 

[brokeflyer]

Hard mount, hard wired or new MFD that can display WX.

I didn't know you loved your IPAD that much But, the way you described one pilot looking at their position on one IPAD, while the other shows the WX on the other IPAD.... sounds like it COULD be a problem.

so send you the bill for all that?

safety is expensive and most all operations will use the oldest pennies they have.

you must be new to aviation.

 

[Bleeds On]

WingX with inflight weather I haven't looked at this too closely yet but maybe this is an alternative. WingX has the terminal charts with geo reference but last I remember they didn't have the enroute.
Ultra, I know the GNS can't do XMWX. I was commenting that I doubt it will ever have the capability to do it. Sometimes it just requires someone to throw the right switch.

 

[ultrarunner]

Bleeds, WingX WX is going to use the same XM Weather hardware solution that is provided by WXWorx that brings the data to the device.

And you are correct, do not ever expect a GNSS satellite receiver to have the capability to downlink data from XM's satellite. Completely different systems.

 

[LJ45]

Hey LJ45,

Because it's hard mounted and hard wired, does that you mean that you play with it less?

No, what I was getting at was... it was described as a possibile setup with one Ipad showing weather and the other showing GPS. I just see two pilots looking at Ipads too much comparing postion options. JMHO...relax guys!

 

[LJ45]

so send you the bill for all that?

safety is expensive and most all operations will use the oldest pennies they have.

you must be new to aviation.

No... I'm not new look at my profile...it's real! Aiming for high standards and the best equipment is what we SHOULD do right? I understand we can't always have that buddy, thanks for the dig.

 

[JJET44]

LJ
I'm just saying that I flew an airplane with PL21 with XM and all the bells and whistled and I found guys heads-down flipping through screens as much as with the iPad.
It's not the equipment, it's work load management and the discipline to know when to stop info surfing and just fly the plane no matter what your using.

 

[waddawurld]

OK- maybe I'm not getting it... can someone confirm that wxworx, plus a bluetooth device allows you to use an ipad while in flight and get both positioning info and xm weather-- and if so, what kind of antenna is used and where is it best located? I'm finding it a little hard to believe that a couple thousand $ investment can do an end run around 100k+ installations...

 

[ultrarunner]

Wadda, here is the deal:

1. WXWorx makes a box with a XM antenna.

2. This Box, hooked up to your EFB via serial OR bluetooth, will downlink weather FROM the XM satellite. The weather information is displayed on your device via WxWorks software.

3. External XM antennas can also be utilized which yields better reception as the XM satellite is southerly.

4. XM antennas do NOT provided GPS postion, as the XM satellite is NOT a GPS satellite.

5. WXWorx has announced a hardware solution that will enable it's WxWorx box to talk to the iPad. Available in a few months.

6. The WxWorx hardware is about a grand. Subscriptions costs vary, depending upon your need. The full-featured subscription is a grand per year.

Got it?

One more thing:

Read here: https://www.wxworx.com/wings-overview

 

[waddawurld]

Thank you ultra-- did you get a quote on the ext ant (ant + install)?

 

[ultrarunner]

Thank you ultra-- did you get a quote on the ext ant (ant + install)?

Wadda, the external Comant/Comdat antennas run from about 400 to 700 bucks, depending up on style and if you want a combo XM/GPS antenna or XM only, or other combinations. There are several options available.

As far as installation, we're having ours installed during a routine inspection where access is already provided for, so can't get you a hard number on that, but it's aircraft/location specific anyway.

Ultra

 

[waddawurld]

Thanks-- does the antenna share another's location or does a hole have to be cut?

 

[ultrarunner]

Thanks-- does the antenna share another's location or does a hole have to be cut?

A new antenna needs a new hole.

 

[LJ45]

A new antenna needs a new hole.

you can replace your exsisting GPS antenna with a combination GPS/XM antenna and use the same hole. we had this on our Lear http://www.cobham.com/about-cobham/...-systems/fullerton/products/comdat-gpsxm.aspx

 

[waddawurld]

Thank you LJ45- but Ultra is talking about an ext Bluetooth GPS/XM Worx ant-- and I don't know if it can supply the current GPS info needed as well as for any position info on the Ipad (or whatever tablet)

 

[ultrarunner]

Actually I'm not Wadda. The external XM antenna is NOT bluetooth. It's hardwired, and will have an outlet which the bluetooth XM box will plug into.

LJ45 is correct in-that you can get a combo antenna. You just need to check with your FSR to verify the GPS side of the antenna is compatible with your FMS's if your going to use it in that function.