Acquisition or Merger?

[momalley81]

You decide:

http://vimeo.com/22963561

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[iluvflying]

i think there will be a thread merger coming soon and you will be stapled.

 

[TWA Dude]

Acquisition or merger? Irrelevant. The pilot groups get merged regardless.

 

[Ty Webb]

Acquisition or merger? Irrelevant. The pilot groups get merged regardless.

Amazing that 7 months later, some folks still don't get that. The "Flat Earth Society".

 

[madjack]

out of our hands give it a rest

 

[Fubijaakr]

Given the way this deal was put together, its entirely possible that this scenario exists: 1. SWA operates AAI as a subsidiary.
2. SWA begins dumping 717s.
3. As the 717s go, AAI is forced to furlough pilots
4. AAI 737 positions on the Boeing line are transferred to SWA.
5. SWA changes those -700 options to -800s.
6. As those airplanes roll off the line, they are assigned to SWA.
7. AAI furloughees are brought back on the bottom of the SWA list.

The longer it takes to get an SLI agreement, the greater the chance that AAI pilots are furloughed.

Personally, I don't think SWA has any intention of operating the 717s one day longer than they have to.

 

[madjack]

Not going to happen, too much money to be made combining the companies. While I hope that I will get a seniority bump by this combination of companies I fully expect that I will be at the same relative position on the ISL when the dust settles. Monday 02MAY will be a great day for SWA/AAI. It is a crazy industry with crazy laws and my aviation career has not turned out like I wanted it to, but that is not the fault of the AAI pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

The 717's are leased, and there would be big penalties to getting rid of them. Given that they are being operated profitably now, why would you get rid of them and replace the revenue with losses from breaking the leases? Doesn't make any sense.

Those leases, btw, are not financed by Boeing, but by US and foreign banks.

 

[madjack]

OK,

Training Dept rumor: put three 717 in HA and feed with -800's...could be interesting

 

[iluvflying]

Not going to happen, too much money to be made combining the companies. While I hope that I will get a seniority bump by this combination of companies I fully expect that I will be at the same relative position on the ISL when the dust settles. Monday 02MAY will be a great day for SWA/AAI. It is a crazy industry with crazy laws and my aviation career has not turned out like I wanted it to, but that is not the fault of the AAI pilots.

Madjack-

Are you coming down with something? Not more than 20 minutes ago in another thread your were insinuating with Gup that you know some secret plan (like AirTran will be ____, well you know) that would move you up in senority enough that you will not be flying for any Citrus Caps and now you are on this thread saying you have come to peace with the reality that you might just one day have to throw gear for an ex. AirTran guy. What is your goal here?

 

[shootr]

Not going to happen, too much money to be made combining the companies. While I hope that I will get a seniority bump by this combination of companies I fully expect that I will be at the same relative position on the ISL when the dust settles. Monday 02MAY will be a great day for SWA/AAI. It is a crazy industry with crazy laws and my aviation career has not turned out like I wanted it to, but that is not the fault of the AAI pilots.

Stop it, if in fact you're a SWA pilot. You sound like a Delta dude.

 

[madjack]

I am a SWA 10 year FO...don't take blue pills (viagra?), I did not come up with the M/B legislation, it exists...GK is a business man, and I suppose a visionary, I have a glimmer of hope that he will take care of the SWA pilots, but as a finance guy he will do what is best for the bottom line and that has nothing to do with my position on the seniority list. I hope to be OK with the ultimate ISL, but to imagine that there will not be such a list (probably arbitrated) is sticking your head in the sand...AAI/SWA will be one by the first quarter of 2012. To think that the SWA/AAi pilots can stop this is not reality. Do I think it is fair that an AAI CP with less years of service then me will be my boss, no way, but it will probably turn out that way...M/B is not designed to help the acquiring airline's pilot, it is designed to prevent a AA/TWA scenario (i.e. staple than furlough). It is Federal law. Monday 02MAY is a great day for every AAI pilot: they are on the road to working under a great CBA within a great company...for me JUL26 was just the beginning of another roadblock (like age 60, fuel prices, great recession etc...), not happy but what can I do...ok I can shut up and will.

 

[madjack]

Iluflying,

I believe Gup was implying I will be working for the junior AT CPs, I agreed, maybe I am pessimistic but I agreed.

 

[iluvflying]

Madjack-

I have to apologize. You do not need to shut up. You are more than welcome to say whatever you want on this board. I was just wondering what was up with the different reactions. I do have a question though?

Isn't GK helping you by providing you a stronger company that is growing? No matter where you fall on the list. I understand you being at SWA for 10 years and having a 8 yr Cap at AirTran move before you is hard to swallow but if the SLI goes relative you are no different than you were May 1.

Hope all works out for you.

 

[iluvflying]

Iluflying,

I believe Gup was implying I will be working for the junior AT CPs, I agreed, maybe I am pessimistic but I agreed.

Oh then sorry for my assumption. I went back to try to find it to read again but can not so if your position is the same all along then you are right and i am wrong.

Good luck to you during the process.

 

[Fubijaakr]

The 717's are leased, and there would be big penalties to getting rid of them.

Leases can and have been renegotiated. AS had horrible leases on the MDs, but it didn't stop them from retiring them early.

What are the penalties, Ty? How much of that can be offset by the costs involved with operating a diverse fleet, especially if 50+ of the airplanes are essentially a derelict type with limited parts supplies?

 

[zippy32]

I am a SWA 10 year FO...don't take blue pills (viagra?), I did not come up with the M/B legislation, it exists...GK is a business man, and I suppose a visionary, I have a glimmer of hope that he will take care of the SWA pilots, but as a finance guy he will do what is best for the bottom line and that has nothing to do with my position on the seniority list. I hope to be OK with the ultimate ISL, but to imagine that there will not be such a list (probably arbitrated) is sticking your head in the sand...AAI/SWA will be one by the first quarter of 2012. To think that the SWA/AAi pilots can stop this is not reality. Do I think it is fair that an AAI CP with less years of service then me will be my boss, no way, but it will probably turn out that way...M/B is not designed to help the acquiring airline's pilot, it is designed to prevent a AA/TWA scenario (i.e. staple than furlough). It is Federal law. Monday 02MAY is a great day for every AAI pilot: they are on the road to working under a great CBA within a great company...for me JUL26 was just the beginning of another roadblock (like age 60, fuel prices, great recession etc...), not happy but what can I do...ok I can shut up and will.

You're not a SWAPA rep in MCO are you?

 

[madjack]

No, but I would resign if I was....

 

[shootr]

Are you bipolar or do you have multiple-personalities? Oh...E2/C2, I get it.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

In this case, "seat protection" will be prevented by Bond McKaskill.

What's more, a negotiated solution is what is best for BOTH pilot groups. "Seat protection" will not be part of any negotiated solution.