SWA 717 to replace 737-300

[JT12345]

You know u guys are pushing it with the Boeings and Airbuses with high cycles.

There is a reason why the DC-9 and DC-8s r still flying today, and u don't see too many 707s or 727s. The hulls on DC airplanes are thicker and can handle more cycles than Boeing. Now i don't know about the 717, but I bet it can handle more cycles and would be a good replacement for 737-300 short leg trips. The Boeing and Airbus planes are only designed for about 25-30 years of average life. I say average for average cycles on the airframe. It is also the reason why Mcdonald Douglas is no longer with us. They made the planes too thick in the hulls. They last too long. Less repeat customers maybe.

 

[Instigator]

Mcdonald Douglas

Really?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Really?

Indeed. Once a major competitor of Bowing and Aerbus Industry. Of course the were acquired by Bowing a few years back.

They have been powered over the years by powerplants from manufacturers like Pratt & Witney as well as Rolls & Roice. They were really rad birds.

 

[On Your Six]

You know u guys are pushing it with the Boeings and Airbuses with high cycles.

There is a reason why the DC-9 and DC-8s r still flying today, and u don't see too many 707s or 727s. The hulls on DC airplanes are thicker and can handle more cycles than Boeing. Now i don't know about the 717, but I bet it can handle more cycles and would be a good replacement for 737-300 short leg trips. The Boeing and Airbus planes are only designed for about 25-30 years of average life. I say average for average cycles on the airframe. It is also the reason why Mcdonald Douglas is no longer with us. They made the planes too thick in the hulls. They last too long. Less repeat customers maybe.

Boeing said they were surprised that the SWA planes had cracks with so few cycles, which really deflects the blame onto the SWA pilots. Trying to keep the 15 or 20 min turn schedule, these guys slam the planes on, jam on the brakes, and make that reverse to get to the gate early. They do it all the time at LAX on runway 24R. If Boeing was surprised, maybe you should look in the mirror. And this wasn't just one plane, it was 6, right? Time to take it easy on those -300 planes.



OYS

 

[say again]

Boeing said they were surprised that the SWA planes had cracks with so few cycles, which really deflects the blame onto the SWA pilots. Trying to keep the 15 or 20 min turn schedule, these guys slam the planes on, jam on the brakes, and make that reverse to get to the gate early. They do it all the time at LAX on runway 24R. If Boeing was surprised, maybe you should look in the mirror. And this wasn't just one plane, it was 6, right? Time to take it easy on those -300 planes.



OYS

 

[redflyer65]

which really deflects the blame onto the SWA pilots.


OYS

Haha. Now that's funny. What a joke...

Nice flame. Good try.

 

[CA1900]

If Boeing was surprised, maybe you should look in the mirror...

If you're going to successfully troll Flightinfo, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that. :laugh:

 

[On Your Six]

If you're going to successfully troll Flightinfo, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that. :laugh:

Trolling? Just stating fact. Watch those guys slam it on, all so they can maintain schedule. Why would Boeing be surprised? Sure, they don't want to a part of any litigation, but really, why? 6 out of 81 -300s could have been tuna cans. That is bad. Take it easy guys.


OYS

 

[asadonkey]

Its not McDonald Douglas, maybe you were just hungry and mistyped (I hope)

 

[say again]

Trolling? Just stating fact. Watch those guys slam it on, all so they can maintain schedule. Why would Boeing be surprised? Sure, they don't want to a part of any litigation, but really, why? 6 out of 81 -300s could have been tuna cans. That is bad. Take it easy guys.


OYS

I watch Delta, United, Continental, AirTran, JetBlue, etc, etc slam it on as well. Like CA1900 said, "If you're going to successfully troll Flightinfo, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that. :laugh:". Just stating fact.

 

[Esprit]

Its not McDonald Douglas, maybe you were just hungry and mistyped (I hope)

The dredded FI spelling/grammer polease! Must be nice being perfekt.

ESPRIT

 

[MD11Drvr]

Over the years I have talked to a couple of guys out west that were in the trac ho breaking up aircraft and they both talked about how the Douglas Iron works could build an airplane that was not easy to break up. They did not say that about Boeing or Airbus. Now for flying traits I hear the Boeing is much easier to fly while the Douglas will test your stick and rudder skills each flight. And looking at the MD-11's safety record that is another self evident truth.

As for SWA being hard on airframes I think the hull failures and cracks that were found before failure should tell you something. If you choose to ignore the indications then so be it, but hopefully no one will pay hard for the SOP/Maintenance. The comments are not meant as flame bait but an observation. Putting it on hard and grabbing the binders is just something you can't get away with on the wide bodies as a landing at 490,000 lbs will break things every time if you operate hard and aggressively.

Be safe out there!

 

[jball2]

It is a myth that SWA sop is putting it on hard and jumping on the binders. Some of the folks on here wish it was so they could continue the bash fest. I ALWAYS try to give pax the smoothest and most enjoyable flight possible. You can grease it on and make the 24R reverse at LAX without being hard on the brakes or pax, btw.

 

[On Your Six]

I watch Delta, United, Continental, AirTran, JetBlue, etc, etc slam it on as well. Like CA1900 said, "If you're going to successfully troll Flightinfo, you're going to have to work a lot harder than that. :laugh:". Just stating fact.

How many of those airlines have had failures inflight, and had multiple other frames that could have done the same? Everyone slams it on now and then, but we know SWA has to keep their schedules, and we also know the manufacturer was taken by surprise. Some airports need more firm landings and braking, like MDW or SNA. At LAX or SEA, not so much. Take the second highspeed instead of the first reverse for God's sake! Don't be scared to follow a widebody to the gate instead of cutting him off...


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

It is a myth that SWA sop is putting it on hard and jumping on the binders. Some of the folks on here wish it was so they could continue the bash fest. I ALWAYS try to give pax the smoothest and most enjoyable flight possible. You can grease it on and make the 24R reverse at LAX without being hard on the brakes or pax, btw.

Yeah, but try not to take off the In and Out Burger sign while your at it. If you are full, grabbing that reverse will be uncomfortable for pax. Sorry, it will. Take AA and be happy.


OYS

 

[jball2]

Wrong OYS. On glideslope in the tdz. Try again!

 

[On Your Six]

Wrong OYS. On glideslope in the tdz. Try again!

Open or closed roof?


OYS

 

[fugghedabowdit]

How does "slamming it on" help maintain one's "schedule"?

 

[On Your Six]

How does "slamming it on" help maintain one's "schedule"?

Well, slamming it on to wrinkle the fuselage probably could happen a couple ways. One being hard landings on a spot to try to make a certain intersection or reverse, and the other way is to slam on the brakes to also make a turn off. To maintain tight turn times, anyone could surmise that those are two plausible situations for SWA pilots, which is evident with 6 planes with early cracks. You should know that when people are hungry or need to take care of personal problems via the phone, and only have 15-20 min before their next launch to Ontario, they could conceivably slam it on to give them extra time in the terminal. Make sense, yet? Why was Boeing surprised with the cracks at such early cycles? It does make sense. I am glad it didn't turn out worse, 6 times.


OYS

 

[say again]

We get it OYS, you are a SWA hater. I've flown SWA numerous times, and can count on on hand the number of "hard" landings you speak of. I guess you being at Delta feel others to be inferior to your superior pilot skills?!?!