SWA/AT future at Risk

[texman]

AGLT and Vision are going to be our biggest competitors. This is where the 717 will play a big role. After the SLI BS, we have to look at our future threats.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/news/2011/04/07/vision-airlines-models-itself-on-allegiant/page1

 

[Ty Webb]

Interesting . . . . .

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

Ty...What happens if the "new SWA" with you onboard in say 5 years buys someone like Alligiant? Would you want a staple or relative, DOH....what? You may be in that position....what do you have to say?

 

[texman]

I think we might be part of the USAir deal in the next five years. We will take the West side only.LOL

 

[funnyman12]

Airtran was going to buy Midwest, which was smaller than Allegiant is today, and we were going to give them a fair integration......a 4/1 ratio was the talk at the time....Allegiant should get a ratio based on size if we bought them. I think that would be fair...granted im over simplifying the detail of an SLI but I think you can catch my gist. Midwest had 400 pilots at the time and we had 1600.

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

Airtran was going to buy Midwest, which was smaller than Allegiant is today, and we were going to give them a fair integration......a 4/1 ratio was the talk at the time....Allegiant should get a ratio based on size if we bought them. I think that would be fair...granted im over simplifying the detail of an SLI but I think you can catch my gist. Midwest had 400 pilots at the time and we had 1600.

You better change that view once you are on our side....that won't be tolerated

 

[texman]

Airtran was going to buy Midwest, which was smaller than Allegiant is today, and we were going to give them a fair integration......a 4/1 ratio was the talk at the time....Allegiant should get a ratio based on size if we bought them. I think that would be fair...granted im over simplifying the detail of an SLI but I think you can catch my gist. Midwest had 400 pilots at the time and we had 1600.

I see where you are coming from. So if AT bought ALGT that's what you would consider fair, 4/1 ratio.

 

[DC10]

Sounds fair to me.

 

[General Lee]

Ty...What happens if the "new SWA" with you onboard in say 5 years buys someone like Alligiant? Would you want a staple or relative, DOH....what? You may be in that position....what do you have to say?

What a loaded question. How about let arbitrators figure out what is fair? They are paid to do that, and they are "neutral." That is what you are scared of, obviously, anything FAIR determined by a neutral. Your lawyers put out the facts, and someone else decides. It screams FEAR in your book.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

AGLT and Vision are going to be our biggest competitors. This is where the 717 will play a big role. After the SLI BS, we have to look at our future threats.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/news/2011/04/07/vision-airlines-models-itself-on-allegiant/page1

REALLY? Your biggest threats? Have you seen what Vision Airlines is right now? They have a few Dornier props, a few 737s, and a 767 or two that do work for the Gov't. Have you ever been to VPS? It is limited by a lot, namely gates and it is an AFB. Most of their flights are once or twice a week, maybe 3 weekly to BHM. Were you drunk when you thought up this thread? Allegiant is a bigger competitor than Vision, but they like to stay out of the way of almost everyone else and go to small po-dunk town from a few select vacation destination cities. (LAS, LAX, SFB, FLL) You know, they do have two weekly flights from Elmira, NY to FLL. You had better throw some 717s on that route, QUICK!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[luckytohaveajob]

You better change that view once you are on our side....that won't be tolerated

You think the SWA culture will survive the AAI merger? I don't. Gary is ready to gut the SWA culture without the merger. After the merger SWA will be just another legacy.

 

[livintheredream]

You think the SWA culture will survive the AAI merger? I don't. Gary is ready to gut the SWA culture without the merger. After the merger SWA will be just another legacy.

The only way SWA culture won't survive the AAI merger is by self(SWA) sabotage. Besides the 1%, AAI guys are excited and willing to go the extra mile to preserve the culture as long as we are treated fairly.
Maybe at the next SWA BBQ you should bring it up to GK and tell him what you think.

 

[texman]

REALLY? Your biggest threats? Have you seen what Vision Airlines is right now? They have a few Dornier props, a few 737s, and a 767 or two that do work for the Gov't. Have you ever been to VPS? It is limited by a lot, namely gates and it is an AFB. Most of their flights are once or twice a week, maybe 3 weekly to BHM. Were you drunk when you thought up this thread? Allegiant is a bigger competitor than Vision, but they like to stay out of the way of almost everyone else and go to small po-dunk town from a few select vacation destination cities. (LAS, LAX, SFB, FLL) You know, they do have two weekly flights from Elmira, NY to FLL. You had better throw some 717s on that route, QUICK!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Delta pilots said the same about SWA 20 years ago. Just a thought. This is FI gen nuts.

 

[texman]

The only way SWA culture won't survive the AAI merger is by self(SWA) sabotage. Besides the 1%, AAI guys are excited and willing to go the extra mile to preserve the culture as long as we are treated fairly.
Maybe at the next SWA BBQ you should bring it up to GK and tell him what you think.

That is the question. What is fair?

 

[FlyinGuy]

......a 4/1 ratio was the talk at the time....

"talk" and an actual agreement are night and day!!

 

[carl p]

The only way SWA culture won't survive the AAI merger is by self(SWA) sabotage. Besides the 1%, AAI guys are excited and willing to go the extra mile to preserve the culture as long as we are treated fairly.
Maybe at the next SWA BBQ you should bring it up to GK and tell him what you think.

+1. I'm not going to comment on what is fair but the AAI guys will not be the reason culture dies. To put up with the crap this group has and still go the extra mile to deliver a quality product, imagine what we will do with respect and appreciation...

When (or if) I get to SW HQ they can point to the wall they want me to run through to prove my loyalty.

 

[jball2]

Midex pilot's average tenure was much higher than that of an Airtran pilot. At the time, AT was not doing them any favors seniority wise. SWA pilot's average tenure is nearly double that of Airtran's pilots. I just think it's funny that years of service don't seem to apply in AT ALPA world. Whatever happens, I'm here anyway.

 

[maxblast72]

I just think it's funny that years of service don't seem to apply in AT ALPA world.

Do you think it is funny that Jeff Freund said "Date of Hire means nothing when merging seniority lists from two different companies" in one of his post-arbitration hearing briefs just 2.5 years ago? I guess Jeff Freund would fit in well in AT ALPA world.

 

[jball2]

Now we are paying him to say what we want. Just like Delta did 2.5 years ago. He's a lawyer remember? Money talks!

 

[On Your Six]

Delta pilots said the same about SWA 20 years ago. Just a thought. This is FI gen nuts.

Was SWA an 8 plane operation with one crazy hub in NW FLA 20 years ago? SWA had a viable business plan back then, and Vision does not. Allegiant is different, and mostly avoids conflict. The General has it right, again. Your theory is full of holes, even on FI. I am surprised you didn't add Virgin Galactic also to your "worry list.". Who knows, they may challenge SWA to the Moon someday after Airtran helps you get your ETOPS certification....


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