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Skybus

Skybus

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Kelly also said Southwest had no plans to drop any cities served by AirTran Airways after Southwest completes its acquisition of AirTran. Some of the AirTran cities are smaller than those typically served by Southwest.

This has been stated many times before. A complete change in SW biz model. Smaller communities with ground support staff contracted. IF this holds true, imagine the possibilities for growth domesticly... Think Fresno, Jackson Hole (mentioned by GK) The statement made is "IF we can fly one FULL flight a day into a city, it is something we need to look at". Take a look at the margins earned by Allegiant these days.

Keep the cuts commin Delta, we will need more gates in ATL.
 
Skybus said:
Kelly also said Southwest had no plans to drop any cities served by AirTran Airways after Southwest completes its acquisition of AirTran. Some of the AirTran cities are smaller than those typically served by Southwest.

This has been stated many times before. A complete change in SW biz model. Smaller communities with ground support staff contracted. IF this holds true, imagine the possibilities for growth domesticly... Think Fresno, Jackson Hole (mentioned by GK) The statement made is "IF we can fly one FULL flight a day into a city, it is something we need to look at". Take a look at the margins earned by Allegiant these days.

Keep the cuts commin Delta, we will need more gates in ATL.
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This holds true.
 
You're gonna laugh, but I actually like flying to Des Moines out of MCO. The ground staff is excellent out there and the pax are mild mannered folks (at least the last time I did that turn). An airport is an airport, and the smaller the better. I'd much rather do a hand flown visual into Branson or Des Moines than a 25 mile coupled ILS (VMC) into ATL.
 
Don't forget exciting Bloomington, IL
 
My post was kind of a sarcastic poke it with a stick type joke. They are closing DFW, but will still serve the city. The agreement to dissolve most of the wright amendment will not let SWA serve DFW.
 
CAK is right up there on the list of Midwest hard-drinkin' layovers . . . . . with "the Rock", "the Cheetah", Buffalo, and, everyone's favorite, "Mo-line".

The rest, well, there's actually something to do there. :laugh:
 
I believe that has been publicly stated many times by GK. I believe the statement was CITIES, tool, I am fairly certain that SWA does serve the Dallas area.
 
Skybus said:
I believe that has been publicly stated many times by GK. I believe the statement was CITIES, tool, I am fairly certain that SWA does serve the Dallas area.
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We go to Dallas? I had to commute offline to get there this week ;)

Doesn't help the flights are ALWAYS packed (except in my Profit Sharing!)
KBB
 
That sounds good.. Service to Pensacola and Huntsville that otherwise sees no other LCC is good in my book. Chance to expand
 
Give it a rest, fellas...Gary's going to do what's good for SWA, and he's got a lot of good folks working for him to decide those sorts of things.
 
Head of SWA network planning seemed very interested in how Allegiant and some others work these smaller towns. Wouldn't surprise me to see service open up.
 
Skybus said:
Kelly also said Southwest had no plans to drop any cities served by AirTran Airways after Southwest completes its acquisition of AirTran. Some of the AirTran cities are smaller than those typically served by Southwest.

This has been stated many times before. A complete change in SW biz model. Smaller communities with ground support staff contracted. IF this holds true, imagine the possibilities for growth domesticly... Think Fresno, Jackson Hole (mentioned by GK) The statement made is "IF we can fly one FULL flight a day into a city, it is something we need to look at". Take a look at the margins earned by Allegiant these days.

Keep the cuts commin Delta, we will need more gates in ATL.
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You guys are running out of gate space at larger airports, so naturally you have to search for podunk cities to support any growth. Make sure you high five the Allegiant FO as both of you do simultaneous walk arounds at Grand Island, NE. Sounds like a blast!


OYS
 
On Your Six said:
You guys are running out of gate space at larger airports, so naturally you have to search for podunk cities to support any growth. Make sure you high five the Allegiant FO as both of you do simultaneous walk arounds at Grand Island, NE. Sounds like a blast!


OYS
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Landing in Grand Island would pay me $210/hour. Very similar to the rate I get when I land in a busy airport.

Gup
 
On Your Six said:
You guys are running out of gate space at larger airports, so naturally you have to search for podunk cities to support any growth. Make sure you high five the Allegiant FO as both of you do simultaneous walk arounds at Grand Island, NE. Sounds like a blast!


OYS
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Ya, it's much better to give all these cities to the regionals rather than have mainline do it.
 
On Your Six said:
You guys are running out of gate space at larger airports, so naturally you have to search for podunk cities to support any growth. Make sure you high five the Allegiant FO as both of you do simultaneous walk arounds at Grand Island, NE. Sounds like a blast!


OYS
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A strip of concrete, a shuttle van and a hotel room.

Once you've seen one you've seen them all...
 
Don't knock layovers in small towns- they can be really fun ...
 
Hey, your mom was your mom bc your dad thought she was hot at the time
;-)

Seriously good women in the little big towns
 
Skybus said:
-This has been stated many times before. A complete change in SW biz model.........
-Smaller communities with ground support staff contracted. ........
-Take a look at the margins earned by Allegiant these days.
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-going to be tough to get the same margins with SWA's better labor compensation and work rules.
-i.e. - cpntracted=********************ty quality. kinda tough to do a 20 minute turn with a bunch of people on minimum wage
-You've seen allegiants payscales right? They could make money flying 3 people from Ohare to Midway.
 
Speaking of small cities,how about 2 or 3 daily flights on 717's from HVN to BWI.The airport received a $250,000 grant to secure new service and the talk is to offer a new carrier contract ground support.HVN was listed a few years ago as the most under served airport in the country.The airport just finished adding overruns,resurfaced the runway and removed many obstructions.With the yale complex and many high tech companies,loads and yields should be good.
The trip to ny airports is rough,I95 is a parking lot at times and bradley field is almost in massachusetts and over 50 miles away.SW would be a good fit and a better product than piedmont dash 8's to phl.
 
cheapgreek said:
Speaking of small cities,how about 2 or 3 daily flights on 717's from HVN to BWI.The airport received a $250,000 grant to secure new service and the talk is to offer a new carrier contract ground support.HVN was listed a few years ago as the most under served airport in the country.The airport just finished adding overruns,resurfaced the runway and removed many obstructions.With the yale complex and many high tech companies,loads and yields should be good.
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Sounds like "Field of Dreams", Build it and they'll come unfortunately, many have tried this before and then you've got a nice facility and no one using it!

KBB
 
Landing in Grand Island would pay me $210/hour. Very similar to the rate I get when I land in a busy airport.

Gup
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Sweet! Whats that sound? Crickets..
 
Ky.BrownBourbn said:
Sounds like "Field of Dreams", Build it and they'll come unfortunately, many have tried this before and then you've got a nice facility and no one using it!

KBB
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Main reason for years was the restricted usable runway length because of trees that for years had grown and affected landing and take off operations.Key west has a runway that is 800 feet shorter than hvn but with clear approaches airtran and delta offer 737 flights to orlando and atlanta.
The market is there,united stayed for almost 5 years with 737's to ord but the restricted runway made full loads at times unworkable.Runway 2-20 has never before been cleared of obstructions and the overruns add a layer of safety.With the greater new haven metro area larger than many other small cities now gaining new service,i believe HVN's time has come but with high fuel costs and the weak economy,this may delay new service.US has said it has no plans to add clt flights and this is a shame as they would do well in serving the south and at times phl is a bottleneck.
 
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Sweet! Whats that sound? Crickets..
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When Delta or other legacies get those rates back, and we will, what will you say then? I know what you will say: "Grreat, another Grand Island and Lakeland 3 day trip. Boring! I sure wish I could GO somewhere, not just go to nowhere.". You are closer to that than you think. Higher pay for the moment is the only thing you have now. Your culture has been dying since you guys treated the Airtran guys poorly in your merger. Too bad.


OYS
 

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