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elcid

elcid

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Look at the overlap. We fly out of almost every city they do (in the US). We could instantly connect to a lot of new locations and not have to have a different aircraft type. Their pilots would gladly be stapled... ahead of the airtran guys who will have dragged their feet too long for their own good. Airtran could no longer argue that they bring us international. Now what would they bring to the fight? Oh yeah, growth. We'll get the growth when they choke on $125/barrel oil and go out of business, with no pilots ahead of ours. It's a no-brainer. We could even buy Suncountry and just tell Airtran to fugetaboutit! This would be a huge incentive for the trannies to get onboard fast before they lose even more ground, or all of it! I would guess most trannies would never admit to it, but they'd rather be stapled here than piss this away. I hope it is us buying Suncountry.
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Think that would be a great situation for the pilots but I do not think that is what is going to happen.

I personally do not think any airline is buying SunCountry but if 1 does it will be Spirit Airlines. IMO

Good luck to you in SLI.
 
I hope the Airtran deal goes through with a fair outcome for all. This seems significAnt though, if SWA is the buyer. I would have to agree that (my guess) most AAI pilots would gladly take whatever SWA offers vs the alternative of a Frontier or Muse type of outcome. Even with a staple, we are talking big raises vs being on the street.
 
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elcid said:
I hope the Airtran deal goes through with a fair outcome for all. This seems significAnt though, if SWA is the buyer. I would have to agree that (my guess) most AAI pilots would gladly take whatever SWA offers vs the alternative of a Frontier or Muse type of outcome. Even with a staple, we are talking big raises vs being on the street.
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Sorry putz put your "guess" is incorrect. Honestly, is your iq that low were you think we would? I hope you aren't on your unions merger committee.
 
Okay, my bad. Some would prefer unemployment to pay raises. I'm not sure I follow the logic, but I respect your opinion.
 
elcid said:
Okay, my bad. Some would prefer unemployment to pay raises. I'm not sure I follow the logic, but I respect your opinion.
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apology accepted ...I'm not sure where your getting unemployment from, we are not bankrupt nor are we losing money. If you are not willing to follow the applicable federal laws or our collective bargaining agreement - then gary will have to remove his offer. Sure if you had the leverage that we would be unemployed - if we dIdn't agree to your demands, then we would certainly agree to a staple. But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
 
Wow

But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
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You really believe all that? For the sake of the 1700 pilots at Airtran I hope you're not on their M & A committee!
 
No sense arguing. Like I said, I respect your opinion. I completely disagree, but that's ok. At the end of the day an arbitrator will decide, if sun country and oil don't kill it first. I just hope AAI fActors everything in and doesn't end up like frontier. That's another deal gone bad that would have helped both parties involved do much better. In the end, those guys are very unhappy with the outcome. We are okay either way, but not as good as it could have been. That being said, I wouldn't change a thing. We gave a Good offer, and it was refused. There were and are other deals out there, which Suncountry may demonstrate. We'll see tomorrow.
 
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apology accepted ...I'm not sure where your getting unemployment from, we are not bankrupt nor are we losing money. If you are not willing to follow the applicable federal laws or our collective bargaining agreement - then gary will have to remove his offer. Sure if you had the leverage that we would be unemployed - if we dIdn't agree to your demands, then we would certainly agree to a staple. But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
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Those "Solid Growth" airplanes are going to SWA (minus the 2 717's arriving this year) to be flown by SWAPA pilots. You should get ahold of SL8 of the SWAPA CBA and read it for yourself.
 
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Disregard. Hornip deleted his post, or it was moderated. Either way, best to everyone involved.

Fraternally,

ElCid
 
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No Kidding!

Where'd I put that popcorn?.....
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The heat from the oncoming flames is already singeing my eyebrows!

:angryfire
 
Two things that should scare the crap out of AirTran pilots: the fact that Southwest has begun hiring and Guadaloupe Holdings. You could also throw this Sun Country announcement in there too.

Train's leaving the station boys. Better not miss it.
 
Bob Dylan said:
Two things that should scare the crap out of AirTran pilots: the fact that Southwest has begun hiring and Guadaloupe Holdings. You could also throw this Sun Country announcement in there too.

Train's leaving the station boys. Better not miss it.
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Two things we should be scared of but you mentioned three. Lucky for you Southwest doesn't have an intelligence test during the interview.
 
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Actually, not to be the grammar, spelling, diction, WHATEVER police but I think, if you read it again, he covered the three.

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Funny how this has nothing to do with the original title of "Sun Country" I thought pilots could stay on task. Get out your ADHD meds and stick to the topic. ;) Little old Sun Country will not be bought by SWA, it will be bought by a small deep pocketed private buyer, not an airline.
 
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Maybe they live in Oakland and didn't like the commute to Atlanta.
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Yeah. I'm sure that's it.

:pimp:
 
schafjet said:
Little old Sun Country will not be bought by SWA, it will be bought by a small deep pocketed private buyer, not an airline.
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So, your saying it could be bought by a couple of WN CAs? :D
 
As someone who turned down a class at SWA....get over yourselves. Yes it is a great airline, but there have been many great airlines. I want to know who is going after Suncountry?
 
Jj

Every time you post some unintelligent little a$$-ki$$ing post like this

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when someone else posts something that supports your tiny little world view and your junior high sense of humor - I get a picture in my mind of those two dogs from the loonie tune cartoons, Spike and Chester. Guess which one you remind me of?

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Who is the conductor of this fun filled ride? I'm thinking if you have anything to do with it the AirTran guys will pass.

What is your end goal with all these wacko posts?
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I'm just hoping that the AirTran pilots don't get greedy and that they will benefit from the amazing luck that has shined on them. It looks like they may blow it. I can't imagine being stuck at AirTran which as an airline wasn't going anywhere, and to be given the chance to fly at Southwest.

Just a few months before the announcement came out, AirTran guys on here were literally begging for a staple. Now look at them. Sad.

Southwest is my favorite airline to ride on and I hope that the AirTran guys don't screw that up because of greed.
 
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Maybe they live in Oakland and didn't like the commute to Atlanta.
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i know of a couple swa pilots that live in, or in close proximity, to atl. if i'm not mistaken after they got on at swa i don't think any of them put in apps with aai.

can you name 5 pilots that may have left swa for aai?
(i didn't want to take a chance with just one, some of us make some pretty interesting decisions. i.e. the dude who left swa for frontier yrs ago for a piece of tail. he's no longer with the piece, and, well we know the rest of that story.)
 
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