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elcid

elcid

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Look at the overlap. We fly out of almost every city they do (in the US). We could instantly connect to a lot of new locations and not have to have a different aircraft type. Their pilots would gladly be stapled... ahead of the airtran guys who will have dragged their feet too long for their own good. Airtran could no longer argue that they bring us international. Now what would they bring to the fight? Oh yeah, growth. We'll get the growth when they choke on $125/barrel oil and go out of business, with no pilots ahead of ours. It's a no-brainer. We could even buy Suncountry and just tell Airtran to fugetaboutit! This would be a huge incentive for the trannies to get onboard fast before they lose even more ground, or all of it! I would guess most trannies would never admit to it, but they'd rather be stapled here than piss this away. I hope it is us buying Suncountry.
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Think that would be a great situation for the pilots but I do not think that is what is going to happen.

I personally do not think any airline is buying SunCountry but if 1 does it will be Spirit Airlines. IMO

Good luck to you in SLI.
 
I hope the Airtran deal goes through with a fair outcome for all. This seems significAnt though, if SWA is the buyer. I would have to agree that (my guess) most AAI pilots would gladly take whatever SWA offers vs the alternative of a Frontier or Muse type of outcome. Even with a staple, we are talking big raises vs being on the street.
 
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elcid said:
I hope the Airtran deal goes through with a fair outcome for all. This seems significAnt though, if SWA is the buyer. I would have to agree that (my guess) most AAI pilots would gladly take whatever SWA offers vs the alternative of a Frontier or Muse type of outcome. Even with a staple, we are talking big raises vs being on the street.
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Sorry putz put your "guess" is incorrect. Honestly, is your iq that low were you think we would? I hope you aren't on your unions merger committee.
 
Okay, my bad. Some would prefer unemployment to pay raises. I'm not sure I follow the logic, but I respect your opinion.
 
elcid said:
Okay, my bad. Some would prefer unemployment to pay raises. I'm not sure I follow the logic, but I respect your opinion.
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apology accepted ...I'm not sure where your getting unemployment from, we are not bankrupt nor are we losing money. If you are not willing to follow the applicable federal laws or our collective bargaining agreement - then gary will have to remove his offer. Sure if you had the leverage that we would be unemployed - if we dIdn't agree to your demands, then we would certainly agree to a staple. But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
 
Wow

But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
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You really believe all that? For the sake of the 1700 pilots at Airtran I hope you're not on their M & A committee!
 
No sense arguing. Like I said, I respect your opinion. I completely disagree, but that's ok. At the end of the day an arbitrator will decide, if sun country and oil don't kill it first. I just hope AAI fActors everything in and doesn't end up like frontier. That's another deal gone bad that would have helped both parties involved do much better. In the end, those guys are very unhappy with the outcome. We are okay either way, but not as good as it could have been. That being said, I wouldn't change a thing. We gave a Good offer, and it was refused. There were and are other deals out there, which Suncountry may demonstrate. We'll see tomorrow.
 
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apology accepted ...I'm not sure where your getting unemployment from, we are not bankrupt nor are we losing money. If you are not willing to follow the applicable federal laws or our collective bargaining agreement - then gary will have to remove his offer. Sure if you had the leverage that we would be unemployed - if we dIdn't agree to your demands, then we would certainly agree to a staple. But my friend you have no where near that amount of leverage. In fact we have the leverage. We have solid growth aircraft coming and we have solid growth cities...that's what drives seniority not pay. And that's how the arbitrator will see it. This must be your first airline?
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Those "Solid Growth" airplanes are going to SWA (minus the 2 717's arriving this year) to be flown by SWAPA pilots. You should get ahold of SL8 of the SWAPA CBA and read it for yourself.
 
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Disregard. Hornip deleted his post, or it was moderated. Either way, best to everyone involved.

Fraternally,

ElCid
 
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No Kidding!

Where'd I put that popcorn?.....
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The heat from the oncoming flames is already singeing my eyebrows!

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Two things that should scare the crap out of AirTran pilots: the fact that Southwest has begun hiring and Guadaloupe Holdings. You could also throw this Sun Country announcement in there too.

Train's leaving the station boys. Better not miss it.
 
Bob Dylan said:
Two things that should scare the crap out of AirTran pilots: the fact that Southwest has begun hiring and Guadaloupe Holdings. You could also throw this Sun Country announcement in there too.

Train's leaving the station boys. Better not miss it.
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Two things we should be scared of but you mentioned three. Lucky for you Southwest doesn't have an intelligence test during the interview.
 
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Actually, not to be the grammar, spelling, diction, WHATEVER police but I think, if you read it again, he covered the three.

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