Delta Memo looking at planning for new narrowbody aircraft for MAINLINE

[WMUSIGPI]

Adding first class seats? The last couple times I have been on the A319 there were now 12 seats in first. There had been 16. When did 12 become greater than 16?

 

[makersmarc]

Adding first class seats? The last couple times I have been on the A319 there were now 12 seats in first. There had been 16. When did 12 become greater than 16?

This occurs through the magic of accounting.

 

[Jetjockey]

Shoot! Wish I could get a mainline job...



eP.

I bet.

 

[johnpeace]

General Lee, I got a company memo from my airline's CEO announcing that they had solved the staffing shortages by recalling all furloughs and hiring 72 more pilots.

The next memo I got was an offer for 200% premium pay to pick up a bunch of open time that was otherwise not going to be covered.

In the following weeks, I continued to watch staffing issues affect the airline's schedule.

 

[titans10]

It is going to get very interesting at the regionals.

 

[CFI2766]

Wait, didn't Box Office say DL was going to turn into an INTL only airline, with Comair or ASA flying all of the doemstic planes? It says here that Delta is looking at up to 400 new planes for DOMESTIC flying, and that doesn't count the relatively new planes we have received lately, like 737NGs. Oh well, what does she know anyway? She works for CHQ.


Bye Bye---General Lee

All the same, I'd MUUUUCH rather spend a four day with Box Office than with the General. She was never with CHQ, doesn't have 14 THOUSAND posts on FI, and if the stories are true, knew how to have fun on an airline trip.

bye bye.

 

[General Lee]

Joshua Freed, AP Airlines Writer, On Thursday January 13, 2011, 7:48 pm EST

Delta Air Lines Inc. is considering an order for as many as 200 jets -- possibly with options for 200 more -- to replace the aging fleet it uses for domestic flying.


Delta said it asked "several major aircraft manufacturers" for proposals for firm orders for 100 to 200 planes, with options for 200 more, with deliveries to begin in early 2013. No decisions about an order have been made yet, said Nat Pieper, Delta's vice president for fleet strategy and transactions. The request went to manufacturers in late December.
The new planes would replace Delta workhorses such as the DC-9-50s and Airbus A320s that it got when it bought Northwest Airlines in 2008, as well as Boeing 757-200s, which both airlines have operated.

CEO Richard Anderson said in a message to employees that Delta pilots will fly the new planes, not feeder carriers. Delta has shifted flying away from feeder carriers, and has gotten rid of more than 70 of its 50-seat regional jets and 25 Saab 340 turboprops. A jet order will give Delta the size of planes it needs "to be able to replace retiring airplanes and have modest growth when the economy and fuel prices support it," Anderson said.

He said Delta is looking for small, medium, and large planes in the "narrowbody" category, meaning planes with a single aisle for passengers.

Boeing Co. and Airbus, a unit of EADS, are the main manufacturers who could meet such an order, although Chinese and Brazilian manufacturers also plan new planes of the size Delta is looking for.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

All the same, I'd MUUUUCH rather spend a four day with Box Office than with the General. She was never with CHQ, doesn't have 14 THOUSAND posts on FI, and if the stories are true, knew how to have fun on an airline trip.

bye bye.

Wow, that is fantastic. I love the "and if the stories are true" part of your post.... Do tell........??


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jesterjames]

I believe Mr. Anderson also once said he was "NOT" here to merge with Northwest. I dont believe anything management has to say.

 

[RJLoser]

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[General Lee]

I believe Mr. Anderson also once said he was "NOT" here to merge with Northwest. I dont believe anything management has to say.

Yeah, replacing older planes with newer ones is a JOKE. And, only RJ pilots will get to fly them. Yeah, that's the ticket......



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

General Lee, I got a company memo from my airline's CEO announcing that they had solved the staffing shortages by recalling all furloughs and hiring 72 more pilots.

The next memo I got was an offer for 200% premium pay to pick up a bunch of open time that was otherwise not going to be covered.

In the following weeks, I continued to watch staffing issues affect the airline's schedule.

That's a great story. Care to tell it again?

 

[RJLoser]

Yeah, replacing older planes with newer ones is a JOKE. And, only RJ pilots will get to fly them. Yeah, that's the ticket......



Bye Bye---General Lee

They'll fly them at your company with your pay rates.

 

[johnsonrod]

They'll fly them at your company with your pay rates.

Yeah, okay......

 

[johnpeace]

Yeah, you DAL guys are partners with management...that's why they bring you in the loop with stuff like this.

LMAO!

 

[johnsonrod]

Yeah, you DAL guys are partners with management...that's why they bring you in the loop with stuff like this.

LMAO!

I think it was a memo to all employees. Then the press picked it up. Go look on Yahoo Business. You sound paranoid, and you also don't want to admit that the General was correct. Your opinions so far haven't been close. Just sayin........

 

[Monster Buck]

The environment for paying a captain $157 per hour to fly to places ATRs used to go is not very ripe.

I wouldn't be too shocked to see DAL throw a few 100 seaters to mainline, but anything smaller is going to stay with connection. The other thing mainline is looking at is how much cheaper the regionals are than what they were. Regionals have come off their 6 or 8% profit margins, and some are even doing "at risk" flying now. This environment gives mainline a chance to fly connection feed for peanuts. Mainline is cheaper than they used to be, but regionals are super dirt cheap now. Why would mgmt. ignore that factor?

-I would expect that whenever DAL gets a new pilot contract, the captain of the smallest aircraft will top out near $200 per hour. Add enhanced retirement, and all sorts of other goodies, and then the regionals will really be a steal. I just can't see DAL agreeing to fly 100 seaters to DHN and MGM while paying some guy around $200 per hour, when they could contract it out at half the cost (or less) that they used to. Do the math on that.

SWA flies to cities that ATR's use to fly and at twice that rate. Everyone seems to think they are doing alright.

 

[JohnDoe]

Good grief people.

Negotiation time.

Pilot's contract is up in 2012. That article talks about aircraft to start in the 2013 time frame.

Management playbook 101: dangle the idea of "growth aircraft" in front of the group.

Boggles the mind how blind some are and continue to be. Wake up folks, you are about to get "owned" once again.

 

[General Lee]

Good grief people.

Negotiation time.

Pilot's contract is up in 2012. That article talks about aircraft to start in the 2013 time frame.

Management playbook 101: dangle the idea of "growth aircraft" in front of the group.

Boggles the mind how blind some are and continue to be. Wake up folks, you are about to get "owned" once again.

Hello? The planes are old. DL has old planes. And, these planes are NOT for growth purposes, but rather REPLACEMENT. You made the same dumb argument on the Majors board. Call their bluff (management), and go for pay and scope. They will still have to replace the planes. Get it? This is a very easy concept. Replacement is different than growth plans. The potential order is to replace DC9-50s, older A320s, and some 757s. Re-read the article please. You just got "owned" yourself.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JohnDoe]

You made the same dumb argument on the Majors board. Call their bluff (management), and go for pay and scope.

And you made the same dumb response on the majors board.

The fact that you can't even envision that this could be management negotiation tactics 101 speaks volumes to how management has gotten what they have.

Gonna be first in line to give up scope for pay aren't you general.