Verifying the flightplan with the legs page

[777forever]

So the training department did away with verifying the flightplan with the legs page except for rnav departures but the majority of pilots still use the old way saying they like it better. Why? Verifying using the flightplan page is a faster, more efficient way of verifying your flightplan than looking at what at many times is a long list of wierdly named fixes. Much easier to catch a mistake using the flightplan page than the legs page.

 

[Abernathy]

Check both. Let the captain check the legs then you flip the page and verify the Flightplan route. No big deal. If it continues to bother you let the captain know how you feel. After he's done telling you to get bent, let us know how it went.

 

[asayankee]

I've seen too many occurances where even though it looks OK on the flightplan page there is a discontinuity on the legs page. Especially when runway, departure, or flightplan changes are received The flightplan page may be quicker, but the legs page is definitely more accurate and comprehensive.

 

[sunlitpath]

The legs page is useless if the PDC or verbal clearance differs from the filed flight plan. The SOP for route verification described in the Amplified Procedures section of the OM is completely adequate, provided that FMS database currency is verified. Discontinuities would appear in the FMS flight plan function. If you would like to do both methods, that is fine. You can do it independently. The other crewmember would be foolish to object.

 

[lonestarpilot20]

I always check on the legs page and recently caught a discrepency. From IAD to DTW, I loaded and have watched a couple of FOs load the FP right from the release and PDC. The problem occurs on how the FP is filed and how you put the arrival transistion in. In every case on the FP page it was entered just as shown on the release and PDC, yet on the legs page it had a course reversal with one fix in there twice. Be careful out there..

 

[777forever]

I've seen too many occurances where even though it looks OK on the flightplan page there is a discontinuity on the legs page. Especially when runway, departure, or flightplan changes are received The flightplan page may be quicker, but the legs page is definitely more accurate and comprehensive.

It's not possible to have a discontinuity in the legs page but not on the flightplan page. You sure about that?

 

[LazyLightnin']

So the training department did away with verifying the flightplan with the legs page except for rnav departures but the majority of pilots still use the old way saying they like it better. Why? Verifying using the flightplan page is a faster, more efficient way of verifying your flightplan than looking at what at many times is a long list of wierdly named fixes. Much easier to catch a mistake using the flightplan page than the legs page.

Flying with old, wrinkly crusties who are stuck in their ways? No way

 

[asayankee]

It's not possible to have a discontinuity in the legs page but not on the flightplan page. You sure about that?

If you think that what shows up on the flight plan will in every case match what's on the legs, well then good luck to you. It will work every time until it doesn't! They still don't know with 100% certainty why fixes keep dropping out of ATL. If you just want to do the absolute minimum per the book to cover your own butt instead of taking 20 seconds to do something that might HELP you, then I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with your violations....

Our jobs as pilots is to minimize risk. Why wouldn't you want to take just a few seconds to do just that?

 

[COOPERVANE]

But, But.... the OM says we dont hafta!!!

 

[777forever]

If you think that what shows up on the flight plan will in every case match what's on the legs, well then good luck to you. It will work every time until it doesn't! They still don't know with 100% certainty why fixes keep dropping out of ATL. If you just want to do the absolute minimum per the book to cover your own butt instead of taking 20 seconds to do something that might HELP you, then I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with your violations....

Our jobs as pilots is to minimize risk. Why wouldn't you want to take just a few seconds to do just that?

Rnav departures still verified on the legs page...