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[PCL_128]

edited because Steelers Fan looks good waving a terrible towel out the cockpit window of Ravens One.

No one ever looks good waving a terrible towel.

Just kidding Steeler Fan.

 

[Murphy]

No one ever looks good waving a terrible towel.

Just kidding Steeler Fan.

I'm stirring up a lot less trouble talking about Steeler Fan and his team than the TA.

 

[Muppets]

Here is one of my favorite gems of our TA:

INTL PAY

Capatains shall be paid $4 hr override for international operations
First Officers shall be paid $2 hr override for internatonal operations

For the puposes of this section operations to and from Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas is considered Domestic.

WTF!!!! So our company and union leaders have all agreed that Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas are part of The United States of America. Total clowns running this show.

 

[atldc9]

No one ever looks good waving a terrible towel.

Just kidding Steeler Fan.

Man, I never agree with him on anything, now he goes anti-Steelers and I have to re-evaluate.

RAVENS!!

 

[JT12345]

The pay rates are in the other T.A. thread but I'll re-post them here:

Section 4: Compensation

Captains

Years 12/1/10 12/1/11 12/1/12 12/1/13 12/1/14

1 $106.36 $107.47 $109.47 $127.68 $130.08
2 $122.86 $123.98 $126.30 $138.15 $140.75
3 $127.51 $128.64 $131.06 $141.20 $143.87
4 $130.09 $131.23 $133.69 $144.35 $147.07
5 $134.49 $135.64 $138.19 $147.55 $150.34
6 $136.33 $137.49 $140.08 $150.91 $153.77
7 $138.31 $139.49 $142.11 $154.37 $157.29
8 $149.01 $150.89 $153.74 $158.13 $161.12
9 $153.03 $154.21 $157.13 $162.17 $165.24
10 $155.06 $158.19 $161.18 $166.93 $170.10
11 $156.17 $161.32 $164.37 $170.63 $173.86
12 $161.72 $165.02 $168.16 $174.97 $178.29
13 $162.22 $166.91 $170.08 $177.46 $180.82
14 $162.72 $168.82 $172.03 $180.03 $183.45
15 $163.22 $170.77 $174.02 $182.68 $186.32

First Officers

Years 12/1/10 12/1/11 12/1/12 12/1/13 12/1/14

1 $42.75 $42.75 $43.13 $43.56 $44.00
2 $67.07 $70.07 $71.41 $77.67 $80.44
3 $76.29 $79.59 $81.09 $83.44 $85.01
4 $86.03 $86.59 $88.23 $90.90 $92.61
5 $91.01 $92.57 $94.32 $97.30 $99.15
6 $92.50 $95.21 $97.01 $101.38 $103.30
7 $93.22 $97.24 $99.08 $104.56 $106.54
8 $95.08 $99.19 $101.06 $107.15 $109.18
9 $96.55 $100.71 $102.61 $109.87 $111.95
10 $98.75 $102.97 $104.92 $113.15 $115.29
11 $99.50 $103.73 $105.69 $113.93 $116.08
12 $100.78 $105.03 $107.01 $115.28 $117.46


There were no improvement to trip or duty rigs like we were initially seeking.

We obtained better merger & acquisition language and bound the holding company, but at the cost of giving up more Scope.

Scheduling language is vastly improved, with good gains for the reserve pilots, however build-up lines went away and you can't drop reserve days so the pilots who now can bid long call have less control over their build-up schedule.

No international or night override that I've found yet.

It's basically current book with major changes in the Scheduling section and Section 1, small tweaks in other sections, better pay rates, and a small bonus check to hold us until the Southwest takeover, with some good jumps in years 3-5 in case the SWA deal doesn't go through.

Those payrates are technically only correct for 107+ seats to longhaul narrowbody. Then they change:

Ie.
A E-190 would be a 16% reduction for each of those rates.
A 757/737-900 would be a 13% increase. Widebody is +28%


So if you think the <4 year FO and <8 year Captain was bad or inline with 190 rates at Blue... think again. I am gambling it wont matter like most of us.

 

[Afterprop]

Here is one of my favorite gems of our TA:

INTL PAY

Capatains shall be paid $4 hr override for international operations
First Officers shall be paid $2 hr override for internatonal operations

For the puposes of this section operations to and from Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas is considered Domestic.

WTF!!!! So our company and union leaders have all agreed that Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas are part of The United States of America. Total clowns running this show.

Unfortunately, it states the same thing with the international per diem . . . we'll never see those increases that our MEC touted.

WTFO . . . are our guys clueless, or asleep at the wheel, regardless, none of them should ever again be allowed in a negotiating position.

 

[Dude]

Squirrel!

 

[Lear70]

Squirrel!

Nice...

 

[Crash Pad]

The only reason we have a deal is the company needs one. That is why they have decided to negotiate. Voting this down they will be back in 3 weeks or less.

Did your Union lie to you. Yes several times... its ALPA standard.
1. Really good scheduling section. Negotiated months ago... LIE
2. Scope is ahead of the industry by binding the holding company... LIE (it blows but does bind the holding company.
3. The NMB was a factor in the companies decision to negotiate... LIE (they didn't have to... they could run out the clock. So ask the question why did they come with an offer)

Finally I'm not sure this was negotiated by pilots. It sucks that bad. Vote NO

 

[oriondriver]

Do you guys really think that new scope can be applied after the fact to this transaction? ( ie "binding the holding company" )