The logic of relative seniority

[Secret Squirrel]

Define "cool with it". I have no say in the fact that my company decided to merge. I have no say in what the arbitrator will decide for SLI. I can only control the things that I can control.

None of this is personal. I go to work, I try not to puke when the captain is talking about some old bag FA that he is banging, take home any bed bugs, catch food poisoning at the airport, but I do try to get home and spend as much time with my wife and kids. A lot of these posts make it sound so us against them. In this case we have very little control over what happens.

The choice we have is to move on or to hold on to the past. All this bickering is just mental masturbation and is going to polarize the pilot groups. Why do you guys keep engaging each other? Does either side seriously believe you are going to change each others minds or devise the winning argument before the arbitrator?

But then again this is Flight Info where the whole goal is to show everybody how smart we are, mock and belittle, or stir ******************** up.

Good luck to all. I look forward to racing you to the runway in BWI.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Maybe AA will buy SW and bump
Every Captain who has been there
Less than 20 years back to the right
Seat.

Maybe then the SW guys would have
A better grasp of "reality""

If Swa was being integrated on to the American list, I would not expect any one not senior enough on the new list to hold CA to "keep their seat". Possibly pay protection.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Define "cool with it". I have no say in the fact that my company decided to merge. I have no say in what the arbitrator will decide for SLI. I can only control the things that I can control.

None of this is personal. I go to work, I try not to puke when the captain is talking about some old bag FA that he is banging, take home any bed bugs, catch food poisoning at the airport, but I do try to get home and spend as much time with my wife and kids. A lot of these posts make it sound so us against them. In this case we have very little control over what happens.

The choice we have is to move on or to hold on to the past. All this bickering is just mental masturbation and is going to polarize the pilot groups. Why do you guys keep engaging each other? Does either side seriously believe you are going to change each others minds or devise the winning argument before the arbitrator?

But then again this is Flight Info where the whole goal is to show everybody how smart we are, mock and belittle, or stir ******************** up.

Good luck to all. I look forward to racing you to the runway in BWI.

Cool with it means the hypothetical situation seems fair to you. You'd be ok with an 08 hire Virgin CA being senior to an 04 hire AT FO. You'd be ok with 07 hire Va capt senior to 93 hire AT Capt.

I take it that this is how Ty and Af feel. If so, that's fine and we'll agree to disagree. I'm just trying to make sure I understand them properly.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

If I got upset about everything I have no control over I would be as miserable as a lot of people on this board.

 

[HalinTexas]

Every argument here boils down to the "I've got mine, and you can't have any of it" philosophy. Hence, no logic, just rationalizations.

To compare the airline pilot seniority issue to relative levels of judicial position is ridiculous. Judges are politically appointed, and advance without regard to seniority or longevity; look at the most recent appointment.

Pilots (labor) are their own worst enemy.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Go read some of the USAir "debates" going on. That should be like a scared straight program where they take high school kids into jails. If those hypothetical arguments get pushed too far and both sides get polarized that is where you end up.

 

[jonjuan]

Simple-southwest pilots grabbed their golden tickets when they were hired (despite them really thinking they "earned it" or deserved it" more than anyone else). Airtran pilots finally got their golden tickets and will quickly make up for lost time (I.E. poor wages, poor QOL). No way in heck a southwest fo will be able to leapfrog an airtran captain. It'll be WWIII.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Jonjuan,

I would like to direct you to the scenario I presented to TYWebb and AFCitrus back on page 7 about halfway down. Please read and comment.

Thanks

 

[emb120driver]

Simple-southwest pilots grabbed their golden tickets when they were hired (despite them really thinking they "earned it" or deserved it" more than anyone else). Airtran pilots finally got their golden tickets and will quickly make up for lost time (I.E. poor wages, poor QOL). No way in heck a southwest fo will be able to leapfrog an airtran captain. It'll be WWIII.

I'm sorry, why is your 6 year captain more "deserving" than a SWA 8 year FO? "Leapfrog," my a$$.

 

[The Prussian]

I hear crickets in broad daylight....