What did the Trannies offer Midwest as a SLI?

[Bob_Sacamano]

Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone has the real scoop on what Airtran was offering Midwest as a SLI when they were talking? The reason I ask is that all of my friends at Airtran were excited beyond belief that SWA was buying them...for about 6 hours.

Now, all but one is puffing their chest out, exclaiming "We've been "pooped" on for too long and we're not going to take it anymore!!!" One guy went on to say they'd accept a relative seniority SLI or nothing...even though he's a senior (by AT standards) FO, and will get around an $80,000 raise. (Which I see is a bigger raise than he'd get by upgrading to Captain at AT...)

So my question is, what did the Airtran pilots think was a fair way to integrate the Midwest guys? Does anyone know?

Thanks,
bs

 

[Wesb737fo]

Aaah another useless thread posted to spread hate and anger amongst everyone. No one around here is puffing out their chest demanding anything. Please do not feed this troll.......Nothing to see here......move along

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

I'm not trying to spread hate and anger among anyone. I asked what AT offered Midwest. If you don't know, there's no need for you to respond. Or was the AT offer that bad?

 

[Tristar]

I know what they offered ATA when they tried to buy our Midway operation - work the routes until we can hire replacements then hit the bricks!

 

[Wesb737fo]

I'm not trying to spread hate and anger among anyone. I asked what AT offered Midwest. If you don't know, there's no need for you to respond. Or was the AT offer that bad?

Oh...you aren't...well please let me be the first apologize to your @z! Backward attempt to get people to discuss their thoughts about how the SLI at the pending SWA/AAI should proceed based upon an SLI discussion between the unions of MEH and AAI over a deal that never happened.

You say that, if I don't know there is no need for me to respond, yet in your post you asked for Airtran pilot's OPINIONS about what we thought would have been fair. If they offered them Relative, DOH, or a staple, we were never told, so what difference does it make other than stir up angst about a deal that never happened.

We have been asked by our union not to discuss pending SLI issues regarding the SWA/AAI deal. I see your post as a feeble attempt to draw us all into a " You were going to do this to them...so it's fair for them to do this to you" food fight. Pointless.....

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

You certainly are defensive, Wes.

 

[Wesb737fo]

You certainly are defensive, Wes.

Quite the opposite, I'm not sure where you get that from. What reason would I have to be defensive?


If I were king of the NPA and I had decided that a staple was appropriate for the MEH deal (btw,I was not involved) what would be your point of bringing this up concerning the acquisition and integration of two different companies?

My impression of what probably happened during any hypothetical discussion between airline X and airline Z went like this

X: " our union leadership has decided to throw you guys under the bus!"

Y: " Great! Our union feels that we should staple you!"

X: "Fantastic! See you at the arbitration!

Y: " yep, see you then. Take care.

 

[Propsync]

I remember hearing a rumor of a 7-1 ratio. I have no idea as to the scale at which that rumor is correct or incorrect. I'd bet every possibility was rumored at some point.

 

[ultrarunner]

It doesn't matter what Tranny offered the MidEx folks. If anything at all, as it never went that far. In any event, if I recall, the MidEx MEC was standing behind their stellar management team and the TPG deal.

 

[crashpad]

Right....who'll ever forget the "Save The Cookie" campaign? We all helped save the cooookiiiiie!!!

 

[hockeypilot44]

Midwest and Airtran never even talked about merging the lists. What's the point of this thread? Is it to rub salt in the wounds of the Midwest pilots without jobs?

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

God, you guys are a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. A buddy and I were talking about the SWATA deal, and he asked what went down when AT was interested in Midwest. I had no idea, so I thought I'd post the question here, and clearly, it's worked swimmingly.

Why in the world would anyone try to rub salt in the wounds of guys who've lost their jobs? Seriously, some of you folks are pathetic.

 

[carl p]

On the internal AT boards a relative SLI was mentioned as what they were prepared to offer...don't know if that's true cause I wasn't quite there yet.

 

[sitnresrv]

As a furloughed Midwest guy, I'm not offended at all. He has the right to ask the question, and where if not here? I will say, I have no idea if there was any banter back and forth about SLI. Even if there was, I see no relevance to the AT and SWA merger.

 

[Ty Webb]

On the internal AT boards a relative SLI was mentioned as what they were prepared to offer...don't know if that's true cause I wasn't quite there yet.

must . . . not . . . . post . . . . . resist . . . urge . . . . argh!!

 

[bmpilot]

must . . . not . . . . post . . . . . resist . . . urge . . . . argh!!

As far as i know and have read, it never got far enough along to think about SLI from the pilots stand point.

 

[fletch717]

I know what they offered ATA when they tried to buy our Midway operation - work the routes until we can hire replacements then hit the bricks!

Humm. There are more ATA guys at AT than SWA, you may want to rethink that statement.

 

[strobzz]

Humm. There are more ATA guys at AT than SWA, you may want to rethink that statement.

NO,he doesn`t need to rethink that statement,there was never any thought given to the Pilots of ATA by the Airtran pilot group when their management team was circleing the waters at MDW.We didn`t hear one word from the non-union Boys and Girls at Airtran.But when they became the poster child for ALPA,every other post from Trannys was about how they had to have SCOPE!

Strobzz

 

[Tristar]

Humm. There are more ATA guys at AT than SWA, you may want to rethink that statement.

You might want to educate yourself on the situation before you make yourself sound like even more of a fool. I stand by my statement - I WAS THERE.

The number hired after ATA tanked is another discussion, and I will agree with you on that point, but that is not the subject at hand.

 

[njcapt]

Humm. There are more ATA guys at AT than SWA, you may want to rethink that statement.

I was on the ATA Negotiating Committee during bankruptcy and the first deal floated from FL had the ATA pilots flying in caretaker status as the aircraft were transferred to the FL certificate. We would have gone from 1200+ pilots to zero in 18 months. There was never any stated consideration to offer the ATA pilots anything but the door while this occurred.

The ATA ALPA pilots took it upon themselves to approach America West and work out a deal. We had the whole thing tied up with final signatures by all parties, when word of the Continental deal for our 757-300's (brokered by our "friends" at SWA) broke and scuttled the whole deal. The rest is history and SWA ended up getting exactly what they wanted in the bankruptcy auction.

I got hired at FL after being on the street for six months without any known consideration for being a former ATA pilot. If the original FL deal had prevailed there might have been some hiring consideration, but the was none floated at the time and statements by some FL pilots at the time were far worse than any of the self-entitled crap I've heard in the current FL/SWA situation.