I will except the Nic award

[MCDU]

If Southwest pilots agree to a 3:1 relative slotting top to bottom with no C and R's.

M

 

[scoreboardII]

And you work for?

 

[Flyer1015]

I hate to be the grammar police, but this is one case where the entire meaning can be changed by using the wrong word.

Accept - as in you receive it with open arms, you take it, etc.

Except - more like an exclusion, everything but that one thing, an exception.

So, which one?

 

[becket]

How Ironic, No Sh*t you'll EXCEPT the final and binding award. I think that's pretty obvious since the partial birth abortion known as USAPA.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Careful McDoosh. Your ignorance is showing again.

 

[St. Nic]

I agree with MCDU, just can't wait to see the "slotting" of ten year Air Trannies slotted in with 35 year Southwest captains. This is gonna fly! NOT

DOH is the fairest single standard for a reason- let's return sanity to the profession!!!

 

[becket]

I agree with MCDU, just can't wait to see the "slotting" of ten year Air Trannies slotted in with 35 year Southwest captains. This is gonna fly! NOT

DOH is the fairest single standard for a reason- let's return sanity to the profession!!!

If they can't negotiate something we all know Federal Law mandates Binding Arbitration. All seniority integrations will turn upon their own facts. There is no way of knowing what an Arbitrator will do. Airtran is a healthy company that obviously brings value to SWA. Given DAL/NWA and AMW/AAA it's reasonable to assume some kind of integrated method.

SWA FO's aren't entitled forever to have the same career trajectory that FO's did there 15 years ago. There is no such thing as unlimited growth.

One this is crystal clear. SWA pilots will NOT be in charge of this thing. They're along for the ride like everybody else.

 

[MCDU]

SWA still have to vote on it. It is a proposal. If the SWA pilots have a vote that would implement a seniority proposal with a 3:1 slotting you will not see a contract with Valujet.

Under ALPA both groups needed a separate vote. How the hell was ALPA going to get 50%+1. The Nic under ALPA could not pass. If the Nic gets forced on the East, then it will go back to separate voting like ALPA had it. There is nothing final and binding about the Nic . ALPA even tried to change the list at Wye river, which means the list is negotiable. ALPA proved it when the tried to get the West to change their Windfall award.

Oh and by the way, many Valujet pilots think that because of the merger. Once this takes effect, that Valujet ceases to exist. As does Southwest. What remains is a new company. So want ever SW had does not really count. It is a new company just like USAIRWAYS.

M

 

[atails]

and the discussion continues......Lets stop pretending we have a crystal ball

 

[Tejas-Jet]

What discussion ? Nobody here is on the Merger Committee.

 

[MCDU]

I hate to be the grammar police, but this is one case where the entire meaning can be changed by using the wrong word.

Accept - as in you receive it with open arms, you take it, etc.

Except - more like an exclusion, everything but that one thing, an exception.

So, which one?

The first one.
Thanks

M

 

[dh82dvr]

I have been in this country since oct 1998 and have never seen a valujet aeroplane. Now I have heard of their existence. Does that mean you can't get your head of of the past or can you just not manage to get it out of your arse.

 

[Cowboy75]

This thread is an attempt to stir the pot with Airtran and SW in the mistaken belief that this will somehow garner support for USAPA's seniority scheme. Each airline merger has it's own issues unrelated to HP/AAA which will have no influence on the courts who will decide our fate.

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

Naming of names is prohibited under the ToS.

Use of the Scab term is prohibited under the ToS.

Violation of either provision again will get you 30 days in the penalty box. I'm not kidding, knock it off.

/mod

Moderator hat off:

Tejas-Jet, actually, two of the AAI Merger Committee members are here on FI and lurk. For all I know, the others do, too.

 

[becket]

SWA still have to vote on it. It is a proposal.
M

I doubt those in charge of the SWA/Airtran merger are as starkly stupid as Doug Parker was about the AAA acquisition.

Did NWA/DAL get to vote on the "proposal"? No. No they didn't. SWA won't either. No side will dictate terms to the other...no matter what Seham and the rest of the pathetic USAPA scumbags tell you.

 

[B-atch]

I doubt those in charge of the SWA/Airtran merger are as starkly stupid as Doug Parker was about the AAA acquisition.

Did NWA/DAL get to vote on the "proposal"? No. No they didn't. SWA won't either. No side will dictate terms to the other...no matter what Seham and the rest of the pathetic USAPA scumbags tell you.

Hey becket, I thought YOU didn't work for Airways. Your emotions sure prove otherwise!! Whats the matter TOO boring at your airline? The East vs West mess is OURS not YOURS!! Mind your business!!

 

[MCDU]

Welcome B-atch. Becket is a former Metrojet pilot that is now furloughed West. He can not cash in his lottery ticket, which would place this sorry azz 2005 furloughed West pilot about 700 numbers up the East list. I know who he is, but rules on here do not allow me to elaborate.

M

 

[dicko]

I have been in this country since oct 1998 and have never seen a valujet aeroplane. Now I have heard of their existence. Does that mean you can't get your head of of the past or can you just not manage to get it out of your arse.

State High sux

 

[Old School 737]

Welcome B-atch. Becket is a former Metrojet pilot that is now furloughed West. He can not cash in his lottery ticket, which would place this sorry azz 2005 furloughed West pilot about 700 numbers up the East list. I know who he is, but rules on here do not allow me to elaborate.

M

What's the jr. West P number currently on property and where they at
And in what equipment?

 

[becket]

Welcome B-atch. Becket is a former Metrojet pilot that is now furloughed West. He can not cash in his lottery ticket, which would place this sorry azz 2005 furloughed West pilot about 700 numbers up the East list. I know who he is, but rules on here do not allow me to elaborate.

M

I assure you Mcdoodle. You don't have a clue. Think whatever makes you happy.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Mcdood,
That is one fine booty in your avatar. I just get mesmerized every time I see it. :nuts: WOW!!

 

[Lear70]

I have never understood the fascination with big butts.

Now big on the top half? THAT'S mesmerizing... lol

 

[dh82dvr]

State High sux

smart arse!
:laugh:

 

[ableone]

If Southwest pilots agree to a 3:1 relative slotting top to bottom with no C and R's.

M

Who cares what you think?

You are not even a professional pilot let alone a USAirways pilot.

You can accept or not accept the reality of the USAirways seniority list as it has absolutely no bearing on anything. You don't have a vote, just a daddy.

 

[JT12345]

Just be glad you have a job in this industry and shut the $#%@^#%^^@#$%#@^ already. It can be fun and enjoyable if you let it.

Planning on the perfect career track? I suggest you find value in other things in life besides this industry. You will be better off mentally, and so will your family and loved ones. You might enjoy your job and value what you really have more.

The EastyWesty thing will go on for 20 years until the next merger. The Green book/red book did until the recent bankruptcies and merger. Delta/NWA went ok, but maybe just cause the NWA guys were tired from Green vs. Red. Next up United. Will it be "United?"

It could get worse in this country and I think it probably will. Enjoy it while it lasts. I will.

 

[steveg]

McDummy wants to compare Usair circa 2005 to SWA circa 2010, and then go on about DOH.

Think about it: USAir 2005 compared to SWA 2010. Yeah, not really the same thing at all (Not a comment at all about SWA and Airtran as I have friends at both, good luck figuring it out).

But then again why would facts bother you? Binding? What the Hell does that mean right?

 

[HAL]

SWA still have to vote on it. It is a proposal. If the SWA pilots have a vote that would implement a seniority proposal with a 3:1 slotting you will not see a contract with Valujet.

Under ALPA both groups needed a separate vote. How the hell was ALPA going to get 50%+1. The Nic under ALPA could not pass. If the Nic gets forced on the East, then it will go back to separate voting like ALPA had it. There is nothing final and binding about the Nic . ALPA even tried to change the list at Wye river, which means the list is negotiable. ALPA proved it when the tried to get the West to change their Windfall award.

Oh and by the way, many Valujet pilots think that because of the merger. Once this takes effect, that Valujet ceases to exist. As does Southwest. What remains is a new company. So want ever SW had does not really count. It is a new company just like USAIRWAYS.

M

Doosh, stop spouting nonsense you know nothing about. You have got it waaaaaay wrong. The ALPA merger policy specifically states that no MEC or member ratification of a seniority list is allowed. It is the job of the Merger Committee to come up with the list. Once they sign off on it - done. No vote, no polling, no ratification. Done.

The same goes for the Allegheny/Mohawk rules the Southwest/AirTran merger fall under. Although there isn't a specific clause like in the ALPA policy, there hasn't been a ratification vote in any of the A/M mergers in the past. That means by legal standards the precedent has been set, and there will be no ratification by rank & file pilots. The merger committee makes the decision, and it's done. If the merger committees can't agree, it goes to Binding Arbitration, a phrase you seem physically incapable of understanding.

This is just another outburst that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

HAL

 

[MCDU]

Doosh, stop spouting nonsense you know nothing about. You have got it waaaaaay wrong. The ALPA merger policy specifically states that no MEC or member ratification of a seniority list is allowed. It is the job of the Merger Committee to come up with the list. Once they sign off on it - done. No vote, no polling, no ratification. Done.

The same goes for the Allegheny/Mohawk rules the Southwest/AirTran merger fall under. Although there isn't a specific clause like in the ALPA policy, there hasn't been a ratification vote in any of the A/M mergers in the past. That means by legal standards the precedent has been set, and there will be no ratification by rank & file pilots. The merger committee makes the decision, and it's done. If the merger committees can't agree, it goes to Binding Arbitration, a phrase you seem physically incapable of understanding.

This is just another outburst that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

HAL

Hey Halitosis

The crap you let out of your mouth is pretty bad. The list is a internal proposal and to be implemented a contract has to be voted on by both sides seperatly. So one side can can always veto it under ALPA creating a stalemate. That is unless you agree on a contract that would implement a seniority proposal like NWA and Delta did.

Alpa even told the East pilots that the Nic can not get implemented since you have to vote on it with a new contract propsal. Nic under ALPA had zero chance. That is why ALPA hoped the West would compromise and change the list so it might have a chance of passing. The West did not want to compromise so USAPA came along and ALPA left.

M

 

[Bringupthebird]

Nope, wrong again. There is no separate vote. Read the T/A.

 

[St. Nic]

Thanks GOD ALPA left. That corrupt, dishonest organization only benefitted the weak airlines like AWA and the regional airlines- all the ones taht were a drag on the rest of us (AAA, DAL, UAL). Then they let the strikebreakers from '83 in- don't get me started on that one/. Goodby ALPA! You will NEVER be back at USAir