Small Fracs Working together?

[rajflyboy]

Are some of the small Fractionals teamming up and flying each others flights? Maybe having customers in a so called "Pool" and then one of the companies picking up the trip?

Is this true? If so how does this process work?

Thanks in advance

 

[wacoflyr]

Absolute news to me. Actually, the atmosphere is competitive, so I very much doubt it.

 

[rajflyboy]

Absolute news to me. Actually, the atmosphere is competitive, so I very much doubt it.

I have heard some rumors of this over the last few weeks. Some of the smaller companies are teamming up and working together.

 

[clydefastly]

I have heard some rumors of this over the last few weeks. Some of the smaller companies are teamming up and working together.

Can you give examples of smaller fracs?

 

[Pervis]

I know, touchy subject. But if this is true, it points to the biggest reason to have a union-scope. While everyone has furloughed pilots except Avantair (sp?), this would certainly be a scary thought.

 

[cherry20's]

I know some of the charter companies work together for smaller/bigger aircraft needs... Never heard of full on Fractionals doing this.

 

[rajflyboy]

I know some of the charter companies work together for smaller/bigger aircraft needs... Never heard of full on Fractionals doing this.

It very well may be some of the charter companies doing this. I have heard that Apollo Jets does this. Not sure if this is a fact.

 

[glasspilot]

ya wanna know what I think fracs should do to work together?

No? Well I'm gonna tell ya anyway...

I think the fracs should get together and use dead legs to reposition crews. We all have a TON of empty legs out there. Why not band together like our 121 counter parts and allow other company pilots to shuttle about on our dead legs?

It would save ALL of us a ton of cash and provide a VERY valuable privilege to all of us frac pilots.

How cool would it be to "jumpseat" in the back of a corporate jet?

 

[gunfyter]

Great idea. First we have to get NJ to allow NJ piots to js on NJ planes....

 

[ProFracPilot]

I think the fracs should get together and use dead legs to reposition crews. We all have a TON of empty legs out there. Why not band together like our 121 counter parts and allow other company pilots to shuttle about on our dead legs?

Ahh...ever had to divert on a dead head leg Glass? Me either.

How cool would it be to "jumpseat" in the back of a corporate jet?

Agreed. "Rock Star" treatment is always cool. imp:

 

[glasspilot]

Ahh...ever had to divert on a dead head leg Glass? Me either.

Ya know, United, American, JetBlue, SouthWest, and Delta divert too.

Yet pilots STILL jumpseat and non-rev on them.

 

[t-bone]

Ya know, United, American, JetBlue, SouthWest, and Delta divert too.

Yet pilots STILL jumpseat and non-rev on them.

When was the last time United diverted to Minot, ND to pick up a revenue trip that just booked during that repo leg? Sucks for the jumpseater who is going to find himself in the middle of nowhere when we get that afis to divert...

 

[brokeflyer]

super genius huh?

 

[rajflyboy]

Great idea. First we have to get NJ to allow NJ piots to js on NJ planes....

Na

That wouldn't be prudent.

Its much more prudent to airline a crew around 5 out of the 7 days on a tour.

 

[glasspilot]

Yup, super genius. Just cause you can't see it doesn't mean it's not a great idea.

Diverts is the big problem? Really? Sure, I divert...once every 1 or 2 hundred flights. Do you divert more? Like I said, every carrier diverts a small percentage of the time. Maybe we do more...but not enough to be a real factor. It's a good idea.

 

[XTW]

Yup, super genius. Just cause you can't see it doesn't mean it's not a great idea.

Diverts is the big problem? Really? Sure, I divert...once every 1 or 2 hundred flights. Do you divert more? Like I said, every carrier diverts a small percentage of the time. Maybe we do more...but not enough to be a real factor. It's a good idea.

Divert may not be the most correct term. How about "re-route or reschedule" the tail number to a different trip, not weather related. Does that help?


X

 

[glasspilot]

I get it. Plane doesn't go where non-rev guy in back thought it would for whatever reason.

Maybe you end up somewhere other than where you thought you were going once every ten years. In that case you get a rental and an airline home and maybe a day of OT. The company would have more than enough in savings from buying half as many airline tickets as they do today to cover those one off times a flight diverts (for any reason).

I know I would much rather take my chances with a dead leg canceling or diverting if it saved me an airline flight. I hate airlineing.

Just seems we have a LOT of dead legs out there and it would be swell if we could somehow utilize them. Teaming up to make better use of them might be beneficial to all.

 

[Pervis]

Yea Glass. I'm sure management would love to help out the competition. There are so many reasons to avoid what you suggest, yet you see none of them. There is no point continuing any discussion with you. Then again, we already knew that.

 

[ozpilot]

In fairness to Glass - while a divert is always possible, in the 10 years I've been at Netjets I've done it exactly twice.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I've done it exactly twice.

Question....

How would one divert exactly 2.5 times? or 1.75 times?

:laugh:


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