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1.5% and and increase in captain override for the 700 to 6% (from 5%), increase in 900 override to 8% (from 5%). No change in FO override (5%). Increase in min daily guarantee to 3:57 (from 3:45).

A whopping $1.18/hr for me... So about $1000/yr before taxes taken out...
 
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Oh yea and did I mention HELL NO
 
Just out of curiosity, as a SKYW pilot. After voting yes for a pay package with a net loss last time, and voting DOWN a union, WTF did you think we were going to get????
 
urflyingme?! said:
Just out of curiosity, as a SKYW pilot. After voting yes for a pay package with a net loss last time, and voting DOWN a union, WTF did you think we were going to get????
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Just out of curiosity, how do you calculate that the last pay package at SKYW was a "net loss last time?" Honest question? How do you come to that conclusion? Is it the "didn't keep up with inflation" argument? Just wondering.
 
Serious question. Do SKYW pilots even have a say in the matter?
 
Hey since you aren't union can you go on strike tomorrow if you wanted? Maybe non-union is the way to go you can circumvent the whole railway labor act. Not that SKYW would it is just a thought that came to me.
 
the palm said:
Serious question. Do SKYW pilots even have a say in the matter?
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I would say this is a very good question. They did have a say at having a united pilot group a few years back, but they said "no." Now, they truly have no ability impose their will.
 
If the vote results are no, then it's simply that, it doesn't pass. It then goes back for renegotiation. Not to mean it will get better or worse.

That being said there is some imediancy that management wants in getting this through quickly, therefore it would seem prudent to not take the first offer given.

I am very happy with the proposed MDG increase, I think that will improve trip build up.

The UAL J4J deal (the first one), and the USAIR J4J offer, the UAL jumpseat fiasco, are some of the few things that the pilots have voted against. BTW
 
CFIT said:
If the vote results are no, then it's simply that, it doesn't pass. It then goes back for renegotiation. Not to mean it will get better or worse.

That being said there is some imediancy that management wants in getting this through quickly, therefore it would seem prudent to not take the first offer given.

I am very happy with the proposed MDG increase, I think that will improve trip build up.

The UAL J4J deal (the first one), and the USAIR J4J offer, the UAL jumpseat fiasco, are some of the few things that the pilots have voted against. BTW
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But really-

What does that vote mean? What obligation does Jerry have to take your advice?
 
Crash Pad said:
Hey since you aren't union can you go on strike tomorrow if you wanted? Maybe non-union is the way to go you can circumvent the whole railway labor act. Not that SKYW would it is just a thought that came to me.
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Yes, it's called quitting.
 
Vote no. Votes yes. Vote maybe. Vote for Mickey Mouse. It doesn't matter. Jerry will impose whatever he wants on you clowns at SKYW. He is only offering this carrot in hopes it will serve as a "measuring stick" for the upcoming ASA/XJT real negotiations.
 
urflyingme?! said:
Just out of curiosity, as a SKYW pilot. After voting yes for a pay package with a net loss last time, and voting DOWN a union, WTF did you think we were going to get????
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why are you soooo bothered by Mesa?

I think you should take a paycut so management can buy Mesa and offer more cash to mesa pilots....j------ss
 
crj567 said:
But really-

What does that vote mean? What obligation does Jerry have to take your advice?
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You are underestimating the importance of the vote. It is an exercise of the measure which must be taken in order to keep a union off the property. The Skywest pilots have more control over their QOL and pay than most people realize.

Jerry wants to keep the union away and he wants to do it as cheaply as possible. The pilots know that and have reaped the benefit of playing the game. And don't forget, they get to do so without paying union dues.

Their unique position in the industry of getting most union benefits without paying dues has worked well for them. They are only shorted the legal, medical, and pride of contributing to the profession and safety advocacy.

But given the used car salesman persona and US AIRWAYS shananigans of ALPA, I really can't blame them. Though I do wish they would at least join up with some union or form a proper in-house.
 
sniper said:
why are you soooo bothered by Mesa?

I think you should take a paycut so management can buy Mesa and offer more cash to mesa pilots....j------ss
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Where did I say anything about Mesa?

You don't work there either...
 
Seriously, Good Luck Skywest Pilots! No pun intended. I didn't realize you were up for a new contract. Did the company just offer this out of the blue to keep you all happy enough not to get a union? I can tell you this much, ALPA isn't worth the 2% dues that you pay. Most of all the workers at this regional level are volunteers so it is no different then what you have at skywest, without the dues. Maybe a little better job protection if you mess something up online, but otherwise not worth all the due money.
 
the palm said:
Vote no. Votes yes. Vote maybe. Vote for Mickey Mouse. It doesn't matter. Jerry will impose whatever he wants on you clowns at SKYW. He is only offering this carrot in hopes it will serve as a "measuring stick" for the upcoming ASA/XJT real negotiations.
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Bingo! In business it is called anchoring. SkyWest management wants to set a low bar for the upcoming ASA/XJT negotions.

Why not vote it down, send a strong message to management, wait for ASA/XJT to finish negotiations and then demand a match?
 
Turbine Pilot said:
Seriously, Good Luck Skywest Pilots! No pun intended. I didn't realize you were up for a new contract. Did the company just offer this out of the blue to keep you all happy enough not to get a union? I can tell you this much, ALPA isn't worth the 2% dues that you pay. Most of all the workers at this regional level are volunteers so it is no different then what you have at skywest, without the dues. Maybe a little better job protection if you mess something up online, but otherwise not worth all the due money.
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Not to get into an ALPA pissing match, but have you ever used ALPA services? The first time you actually use their services be it a lawyer fighting a grievance/arbitration specifically for YOU or have a doc in Denver go to bat for YOU for hours and hours with the FAA or when you ball an airplane up and within hours you have 100+ ALPA volunteers(accident investigators, CIRP, lawyers, etc...) at the crash scene(anywhere in the world). Should I go on? What would those things noted above cost you out of your pocket? Most lawyers charge a couple thousand retainer plus hourly, doc's the same. I paid about 1500 in ALPA dues last year and I know I got my money's worth.

ALPA is not perfect I will agree with you there, but the services they provide, when they are needed, are excellent and I guess you cant really appreciate them until you need them.
 

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