SkyCharts Pro and iPad

[Cowboypilot]

Considering dropping the renweal for our USA NOS charts, A/FD, and Hi/LO ($1,403/yr) for an iPad and the $20 app from Skycharts Pro. And use Jeppview for the Latin America procedures. Any inputs from those who have this? As I understand it I enter the from/to info and it pulls up the charts. What then? does it cache all the plates and charts for that route? We dont fly alot and I think I will usually have more than ample notice to use this app.
Pros/Cons

Scott

 

[pilot772]

If all you need is charts try av charts. Just search by airport code and you can save charts also. It will tell you when the charts expire. Also it has a scratch pad on the charts so you can outline taxi routes or clerances right on the chart.

 

[jrbevis]

Check out Foreflight

 

[Jrparne]

Love it. To me foreflight is great but to expensive. You can get all of the same info online just as easy. Sky charts you can cache charts. In the ifr envriroment it is extremely fast. All of my charts are saved very easy, no internet needed in the plane. Enroute, you get a fix and type it in and your chaRt goes right to it. Secondly when your viewing plates for the airport, say a take off departure procedure (not the pictoriL depRtures, sids) it goes straight to the page, no searching through all of the take off minimums. In practical use it is fast to operate enroute. The only issue for you will be the high charts. They are not on it yet, on his page it says they may be there in the future.

 

[Bleeds On]

Check out Foreflight

X2

Foreflight is only $75 and it has all the Hi, Low, and VFR charts all stitched together. On top of the charts it gives second-to-none preflight info. I personally love the radar and other wx charts and also how the Notams are broken down in plain English and categorized with quick-to-find icons(i.e., runway Notams will have a runway sign icon). I could go on. As above, all charts are stored on the iPad(about 4GB for the entire set). Foreflight does support GPS if you have the 3G version but don't plan on the iPad seeing satellites if you have a heated windshield. And if you have an iPhone or iPod Touch, you can put all the charts on it under the same subscription to use as a backup. If you find out it doesn't work out for you in the cockpit, you can throw it in the back for someone to play with.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I will also throw in with the Foreflight crowd. It is being used by several 135 operators (paperless cockpit). I'm hearing rumors of one of the majors going to it soon. Any way, a good tool. I thought it was cool on the iPhone but on the iPad--wow.

 

[BoilerUP]

Love it. To me foreflight is great but to expensive.

$75/year for Foreflight and domestic approach/low/high charts vs. $1403 for an existing paper NOS subscription is "too expensive"?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Foreflight has some decent info - and for $75 it at least replaces the accukwik...

We are going with iPads for each pilot so each person can be responsible for their own Jeppview. Also will use Goodreader (or ?) for PDFs, FOM, CAE Training records, MELs, Service Advisorys, AFM etc etc and anything else you want to keep. Its a great, cheap way to assure everyone is current on all documents. No upkeep in the office, no emails, no babysittiing if Joe Idiot got the memo, no BS...

Synch'ing Google Calendar with everyones iPad is also a great way to keep everyone up to date on the schedule, requested time off, Doctors, etc etc that used to clog up email all day. Add an event and it shows up on everyones Ipad.

Still very much in the learning phase but these may alleviate many headaches in the average flight department (at least ours!)

 

[semperfido]

Foreflight has some decent info - and for $75 it at least replaces the accukwik...

We are going with iPads for each pilot so each person can be responsible for their own Jeppview. Also will use Goodreader (or ?) for PDFs, FOM, CAE Training records, MELs, Service Advisorys, AFM etc etc and anything else you want to keep. Its a great, cheap way to assure everyone is current on all documents. No upkeep in the office, no emails, no babysittiing if Joe Idiot got the memo, no BS...

Synch'ing Google Calendar with everyones iPad is also a great way to keep everyone up to date on the schedule, requested time off, Doctors, etc etc that used to clog up email all day. Add an event and it shows up on everyones Ipad.

Still very much in the learning phase but these may alleviate many headaches in the average flight department (at least ours!)

yep, I like. probably go that way too. If they would only allow PW protected excel files to work on iPad ( i have tried ALL the apps), then we could do expenses on it too.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yep, I like. probably go that way too. If they would only allow PW protected excel files to work on iPad ( i have tried ALL the apps), then we could do expenses on it too.

Documents To Go Office Suite for iPad SAYS you can open Password protected excel files (97-2008)...Im guessing you have tried that?..or maybe its the editing part thats the issue?

http://forums.dataviz.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1101

Never needed anything like it yet, guess I am lucky...

 

[semperfido]

You guessed correctly- they don't work. but thanks anyway. It's a PITA

 

[linder]

So how do you get around the statement in the Foreflight license agreement saying it is only for "entertainment" and preflight purposes? Same ground use restriction to JeppTC but that's supposed to be removed fairly soon.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

So how do you get around the statement in the Foreflight license agreement saying it is only for "entertainment" and preflight purposes? Same ground use restriction to JeppTC but that's supposed to be removed fairly soon.

Because that's all it is!....I don't ever plan on navigating with an iPad, so I don't care what kind of warnings they put on there.

It's no different than an accukwik or any other reference.

Like you, we have current Jepps with EASy plus usually print a current one from jeppview also...foreflight is just for some general planning IMO....I would never sit there and rely on it to operate, that's what weather radar is for.

iPad just another tool, and a spacesaver....and lord knows the tiny closet on the 7x could use the room!

 

[linder]

Because that's all it is!....I don't ever plan on navigating with an iPad, so I don't care what kind of warnings they put on there.

It's no different than an accukwik or any other reference.

Like you, we have current Jepps with EASy plus usually print a current one from jeppview also...foreflight is just for some general planning IMO....I would never sit there and rely on it to operate, that's what weather radar is for.

iPad just another tool, and a spacesaver....and lord knows the tiny closet on the 7x could use the room!

That would be the correct way to use the program. However, it appears some are thinking they can just get rid of all the paper charts and use Foreflight ase their only source of charting. That's OK only with the windows based version of Jeppview/Flitedeck.

 

[Bleeds On]

That would be the correct way to use the program. However, it appears some are thinking they can just get rid of all the paper charts and use Foreflight ase their only source of charting. That's OK only with the windows based version of Jeppview/Flitedeck.

I've read the pertinent AC's and I don't find where it says you can't in lieu of paper, assuming we're all straight Pt. 91.

AC 120-76A: "Other part 91 operations do not require any specific authorization for EFB operations provided the EFB does not replace any system or equipment required by the
regulations."

AC 91-78: "Class 1 and Class 2 EFB can be used during all phases of flight
operations in lieu of paper reference material when the information displayed meets the
following criteria:
a. The EFB system does not replace any system or equipment (e.g. navigation,
communication, or surveillance system) that is required by 14 CFR part 91.
b. The EFB system on board the aircraft displays only precomposed or interactive
information which are functionally equivalent to the paper reference material which the
information is replacing or is substituted for.
c. The interactive or precomposed information being used for navigation or performance
planning is current, up-to-date, and valid, as verified by the pilot.
d. The operator complies with requirements of 14 CFR part 91, § 91.21 to ensure that the
use of the EFB does not interfere with equipment or systems required for flight."

Again, this is strictly Part 91. Any other, including fractionals, is out the window. You may find in the AC's lists of requirements that would exclude the iPad and then shortly after there'll be a note saying, in short, "doesn't apply to Part 91". Is it wise to have zero backup? No. Can you do it Part 91? Everything I see points to yes. Not trying to challenge you here but seriously, if you find something to the contrary, let us know. A LOT of people are starting to use the iPad. I think Foreflight's disclosure is a CYA.

 

[ttflyer]

Can you do it Part 91? Everything I see points to yes. Not trying to challenge you here but seriously, if you find something to the contrary, let us know.

I think the point is that under the AC, Part 91 can use anything the PIC thinks is good enough. The question is weather the PIC should consider a piece of software that states it's for "ground use only" or "entertainment purposes only" good enough. That's up to the individual PIC...

 

[LegacyDriver]

I spoke to one of the developers at Foreflight and he said they have approval for Part 135 and are working on a 121 major for the same. I don't know about the disclaimer but will try to find out. Looking to go that route when our Jepp sub expires.

 

[linder]

As of today, Jeppesen has removed the "ground use only" restriction in their EULA. So, Part 91 with iPad and JeppTC is good to go. Foreflight still has the ground only restriction in their EULA.

 

[bentpilot]

Anyone found any apps to run airplane specific performance numbers on the IPAD?

 

[t-bone]

Anyone found any apps to run airplane specific performance numbers on the IPAD?

Not an app, but APG's performance and Runway Analysis websites work great through Safari...