What's the Deal?!!!

[say again]

I speak of honoring a commitment, integrity, and living up to one's word. You see that as a high horse. Perhaps from where you are, looking up, living an honest standard is a bar set to high. For you, anyway.

Pity.

That would make you one of the 95% then, wouldn't it? Being worth less than wet salt must be a disappointment for you.

Thank you for confirming my original post, almighty one. But, you couldn't have been more wrong about me. I've honored all contracts and never left without giving a min. of 2 weeks, gave my all, and left on a positive with each company. So tell me, where do you come up with this 95%? As for the rest of your jibberish in this post, well, I can do nothing but laugh. Being worth less than wet salt?!?! Hahahaha, pathetic attempt at judging someone you have no clue about. :laugh: Your generalizations on pilots is mind-boggling. Have you gotten burnt by a few in the past?

 

[gret]

So tell me, where do you come up with this 95%?

avbug is wrong. It probably is closer to only 90%.

Can't figure out how you expect to win an argument here when avbug is just saying what is the right thing to do. He doesn't appear to be saying that everyone does it this way.

Throwing venom doesn't appear to be too constructive and makes you appear to be a hippy radical. What exactly is your point and how does that differ from what avbug is saying. If you had a bad experience, that is unfortunate, but the whole world isn't out to get you.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Not the HIPPYS RADICALS!!!




Oh No!!!

 

[say again]

avbug is wrong. It probably is closer to only 90%.

Can't figure out how you expect to win an argument here when avbug is just saying what is the right thing to do. He doesn't appear to be saying that everyone does it this way.

Throwing venom doesn't appear to be too constructive and makes you appear to be a hippy radical. What exactly is your point and how does that differ from what avbug is saying. If you had a bad experience, that is unfortunate, but the whole world isn't out to get you.

So you say 90% of pilots are scumbags that don't honor their contracts or obligations? How can u possibly come up with such a number? That is exactly what Im saying, and you both missed it. I was asking about how he comes up with such a high percentage when I'm sure he doesn't know a 10th of all pilots.

BTW- never had a bad experience with a company, just the industry as a whole. I agree with everything he is saying about honoring your obligation, but it's just ignorant to say that 95% of pilots do this.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I retired 5 months ago from a Part 135 gig. Can't believe things have changed that much!

Does a type rating and experience in type waive the requirement for Company Initial under FAR 135 now?

New hires still have to train to the operator's New Hire syllabus and take a 135.293 check ride plus 135.299 for PICs, don't they?

I was wondering the same thing. When my furlough from NJA was imminent, I had the displeasure of learning how nightmarish the job market was in aviation in general (was lucky enough to get on with Virgin America). Some of the recurring 'min requirements' I kept noticing included CURRENT 135.293, 135.299. It puzzled me also, as the regs clearly require any 135 cert. holder to provide this training/checking for all (PIC) new-hires. You could've had your 293, 299 yesterday with company A..and it does company B absolutely NO good today. This is correct, yes? Seriously...could anyone shed light on why all these places REQUIRE this?
--I understand about supply/demand, I understand about the value of currency/time in type...

 

[NCherches]

I would say 95% of people who work for a crappy company leave it for a better one... If that makes them anything but smart well so be it.

 

[gret]

So you say 90% of pilots are scumbags that don't honor their contracts or obligations? How can u possibly come up with such a number? That is exactly what Im saying, and you both missed it. I was asking about how he comes up with such a high percentage when I'm sure he doesn't know a 10th of all pilots.

You are absolutley right...we don't know the precise number. I think it is what one would call a generalization and was meant as a figure of speech (e.g. everyone hates Obama, the Cowboys are America's team, etc.).

The number isn't that important as we know that 9 out of 10 pilots are decent people (I think). In fact, in a recent survey in New Zealand, pilots rank third (behind firefighters and ambulance officers) as a trusted profession.

http://www.readersdigest.co.nz/New_Zealand_s_Most_Trusted_Professions_2010
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[NCherches]

...in almost every country (except the US/Canada) pilot's are still nearly worshiped. This is the only time I wear a 'pilot uniform' most times when I go internationally...Well that and because I love foreign girls.

 

[say again]

You are absolutley right...we don't know the precise number. I think it is what one would call a generalization and was meant as a figure of speech (e.g. everyone hates Obama, the Cowboys are America's team, etc.).

The number isn't that important as we know that 9 out of 10 pilots are decent people (I think). In fact, in a recent survey in New Zealand, pilots rank third (behind firefighters and ambulance officers) as a trusted profession.

http://www.readersdigest.co.nz/New_Zealand_s_Most_Trusted_Professions_2010
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This I agree with with. Avbug was saying that only 5% of the pilot population are decent people. I know exact numbers can't be known, but your ballpark figure seems more likely then his.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

...in almost every country (except the US/Canada) pilot's are still nearly worshiped. This is the only time I wear a 'pilot uniform' most times when I go internationally...Well that and because I love foreign girls.

While I 100% agree on the foreign girls...where have you gone Internationally that pilots are worshipped?

 

[NCherches]

Well maybe worshipped was a bad choice in words but just seems like they call you 'captain' and treat ya a little less of a shumk... Im a measly domestic ciation guy but when we do venture south of the border into Mexico / Caribbean they seem to show a little more respect than here in the states.

 

[avbug]

Have you gotten burnt by a few in the past?

The entire industry has been "burnt" by pilots who leave employers high and dry. The entire industry stinks when someone defecates in the collective bed, and then runs away.

Pilots who take the training and run, who get typed and then leave, set the industry back to the proverbial stone age, and cause practices such as bonds, paying for training, and training agreements to become common.

I've seen seven pilots in a row take the training and run; pilots who hired away somewhere else without ever coming back to work, without ever giving a day of service. I've seen numbers higher than 95%, in fact, at some operations...and not on the account of the operator. The pilots never had a chance to find out if the operator was a good one or a bad one...they simply took their training and chased the mighty dollar bill. I've seen pilots who took the training from operator A, because they already had a job offer from operator B...contingent on them being qualified. They advertised themselves as qualified to operator B, then went to operator A to get the type...and never turned in a day of service.

Did I get "burnt" by such individuals? The entire industry got burned by them. The industry continues to get burned by them, on a regular basis.

You could've had your 293, 299 yesterday with company A..and it does company B absolutely NO good today. This is correct, yes? Seriously...could anyone shed light on why all these places REQUIRE this?

Can anyone shed light on this? Yes; you're incorrect.

A recent checkride is often accepted with a new operator's POI without having to undergo a new ride, with reduced training, or with reduced costs.

If an employer might otherwise be expected to send a new hire to the full school, he or she might be allowed to simply have the new hire do a short course, or three bounces and the approaches on a checkride, with a current 8410. Having currency in type with a current 8410 can be a big plus to an operator.

 

[bizjet800]

Can anyone shed light on this? Yes; you're incorrect.

A recent checkride is often accepted with a new operator's POI without having to undergo a new ride, with reduced training, or with reduced costs.

If an employer might otherwise be expected to send a new hire to the full school, he or she might be allowed to simply have the new hire do a short course, or three bounces and the approaches on a checkride, with a current 8410. Having currency in type with a current 8410 can be a big plus to an operator.

I don't think this is true anymore Avbug. All the operators I contract with no longer accept another company's training (293, 297, 299) under Part 135. The FAA never really allowed other company's training, however they have tolerated it until recently. Perhaps its just in my district.

 

[avbug]

The FAA never really allowed other company's training, however they have tolerated it until recently.

The FAA most certainly has done so; it's been done for me on several occasions.

 

[say again]

The entire industry has been "burnt" by pilots who leave employers high and dry. The entire industry stinks when someone defecates in the collective bed, and then runs away.

Pilots who take the training and run, who get typed and then leave, set the industry back to the proverbial stone age, and cause practices such as bonds, paying for training, and training agreements to become common.

I've seen seven pilots in a row take the training and run; pilots who hired away somewhere else without ever coming back to work, without ever giving a day of service. I've seen numbers higher than 95%, in fact, at some operations...and not on the account of the operator. The pilots never had a chance to find out if the operator was a good one or a bad one...they simply took their training and chased the mighty dollar bill. I've seen pilots who took the training from operator A, because they already had a job offer from operator B...contingent on them being qualified. They advertised themselves as qualified to operator B, then went to operator A to get the type...and never turned in a day of service.

Did I get "burnt" by such individuals? The entire industry got burned by them. The industry continues to get burned by them, on a regular basis.

Avbug, I agree that this does happen, but not by 95% of pilots that you suggest. This is all that Im trying to say to you.

 

[captain]

95% of all statistics are made up on the spot...

 

[LegacyDriver]

...Hope im around to see this 'shortage of pilots' I have been hearing about for 10 years... maybe then we will all be respected like back in the glory days where pilot's were next to gods!

Until then... hang in there and try to have some fun. The worst day in the cockpit still beats the best day in a cubical.

Amen to that, brother.

 

[avbug]

Avbug, I agree that this does happen, but not by 95% of pilots that you suggest. This is all that Im trying to say to you.

Is that all? Perhaps you should learn to read, then.

I said nothing about 95% of pilots skipping out on their training, nor did I suggest any such thing. Such is only the inference of those who have some level of reading comprehension deficiency.

I said that 95% of pilots aren't worth their weight in wet salt. This applies, regardless of whether such ever skip out on an obligation.

 

[say again]

Is that all? Perhaps you should learn to read, then.

I said nothing about 95% of pilots skipping out on their training, nor did I suggest any such thing. Such is only the inference of those who have some level of reading comprehension deficiency.

I said that 95% of pilots aren't worth their weight in wet salt. This applies, regardless of whether such ever skip out on an obligation.

How do you know 95% aren't worth their weight in salt? Go back and reread what you say. It's all in the context of what you write.

 

[avbug]

95% aren't worth their weight in wet salt. Simply worth their weight in salt would be a step up.

It's the wet salt that's fairly worthless, you see.