What's the Deal?!!!

[gear_guy]

Supply and demand works both ways. Its a 2 way street. Right now the employers have all the weight. And most of them are taking advantage of it. Companies are no longer loyal to anybody. Why should I be? That being said...I work my rear off wherever God has put me. But when things turn around many companies will be looking to fill positions from good employees that simply got tired of being taken advantage of. You can't treat a person bad when jobs are scarce, and then expect them to be loyal when there are jobs-a-plenty!

The answer is simple....If you want loyalty from your employees than treat them like gold regardless of the economy. If times are bad and you have to take a pay cut, so be it. If I am valued, it won't matter. I will give you my all. Its a symbiotic relationship.

 

[NCherches]

...Hope im around to see this 'shortage of pilots' I have been hearing about for 10 years... maybe then we will all be respected like back in the glory days where pilot's were next to gods!

Until then... hang in there and try to have some fun. The worst day in the cockpit still beats the best day in a cubical.

 

[say again]

It's because of pilots like this, pilots who take and run, that the industry does see less pilots getting trained, and that contracts, with-holdings, and charges for training take place. I've seen numerous pilots take a type rating and run...I've seen pilots get the type rating then sell themselves out the door of FSI or Simuflite, without ever returning home to give a day's service. Dirtbags like that are a dime a dozen, and you'll find many dozen nearly everywhere you look. With 95% of the pilot population not worth it's weight in wet salt, it's no wonder.

Really? 95%? Get off your high f-ing horse. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Im not saying it doesn't happen, but be serious. 95% hahaha. YGTBSM!!!!!! :laugh: Go live on your "Im Gods gift to aviation" fantasy world. :beer:

 

[captain]

What a great big can of worms I have opened. This whole post came from me being furloughed from the airlines, with no type ratings for the corporate world and being angry that with 9500 hours I am not qualified for a 135 outfit flying small jets.

Anyhow...

 

[avbug]

Really? 95%? Get off your high f-ing horse.

I speak of honoring a commitment, integrity, and living up to one's word. You see that as a high horse. Perhaps from where you are, looking up, living an honest standard is a bar set to high. For you, anyway.

Pity.

That would make you one of the 95% then, wouldn't it? Being worth less than wet salt must be a disappointment for you.

This whole post came from me being furloughed from the airlines, with no type ratings for the corporate world and being angry that with 9500 hours I am not qualified for a 135 outfit flying small jets.

Obviously.

 

[say again]

I speak of honoring a commitment, integrity, and living up to one's word. You see that as a high horse. Perhaps from where you are, looking up, living an honest standard is a bar set to high. For you, anyway.

Pity.

That would make you one of the 95% then, wouldn't it? Being worth less than wet salt must be a disappointment for you.

Thank you for confirming my original post, almighty one. But, you couldn't have been more wrong about me. I've honored all contracts and never left without giving a min. of 2 weeks, gave my all, and left on a positive with each company. So tell me, where do you come up with this 95%? As for the rest of your jibberish in this post, well, I can do nothing but laugh. Being worth less than wet salt?!?! Hahahaha, pathetic attempt at judging someone you have no clue about. :laugh: Your generalizations on pilots is mind-boggling. Have you gotten burnt by a few in the past?

 

[gret]

So tell me, where do you come up with this 95%?

avbug is wrong. It probably is closer to only 90%.

Can't figure out how you expect to win an argument here when avbug is just saying what is the right thing to do. He doesn't appear to be saying that everyone does it this way.

Throwing venom doesn't appear to be too constructive and makes you appear to be a hippy radical. What exactly is your point and how does that differ from what avbug is saying. If you had a bad experience, that is unfortunate, but the whole world isn't out to get you.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Not the HIPPYS RADICALS!!!




Oh No!!!

 

[say again]

avbug is wrong. It probably is closer to only 90%.

Can't figure out how you expect to win an argument here when avbug is just saying what is the right thing to do. He doesn't appear to be saying that everyone does it this way.

Throwing venom doesn't appear to be too constructive and makes you appear to be a hippy radical. What exactly is your point and how does that differ from what avbug is saying. If you had a bad experience, that is unfortunate, but the whole world isn't out to get you.

So you say 90% of pilots are scumbags that don't honor their contracts or obligations? How can u possibly come up with such a number? That is exactly what Im saying, and you both missed it. I was asking about how he comes up with such a high percentage when I'm sure he doesn't know a 10th of all pilots.

BTW- never had a bad experience with a company, just the industry as a whole. I agree with everything he is saying about honoring your obligation, but it's just ignorant to say that 95% of pilots do this.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

I retired 5 months ago from a Part 135 gig. Can't believe things have changed that much!

Does a type rating and experience in type waive the requirement for Company Initial under FAR 135 now?

New hires still have to train to the operator's New Hire syllabus and take a 135.293 check ride plus 135.299 for PICs, don't they?

I was wondering the same thing. When my furlough from NJA was imminent, I had the displeasure of learning how nightmarish the job market was in aviation in general (was lucky enough to get on with Virgin America). Some of the recurring 'min requirements' I kept noticing included CURRENT 135.293, 135.299. It puzzled me also, as the regs clearly require any 135 cert. holder to provide this training/checking for all (PIC) new-hires. You could've had your 293, 299 yesterday with company A..and it does company B absolutely NO good today. This is correct, yes? Seriously...could anyone shed light on why all these places REQUIRE this?
--I understand about supply/demand, I understand about the value of currency/time in type...

 

[NCherches]

I would say 95% of people who work for a crappy company leave it for a better one... If that makes them anything but smart well so be it.

 

[gret]

So you say 90% of pilots are scumbags that don't honor their contracts or obligations? How can u possibly come up with such a number? That is exactly what Im saying, and you both missed it. I was asking about how he comes up with such a high percentage when I'm sure he doesn't know a 10th of all pilots.

You are absolutley right...we don't know the precise number. I think it is what one would call a generalization and was meant as a figure of speech (e.g. everyone hates Obama, the Cowboys are America's team, etc.).

The number isn't that important as we know that 9 out of 10 pilots are decent people (I think). In fact, in a recent survey in New Zealand, pilots rank third (behind firefighters and ambulance officers) as a trusted profession.

http://www.readersdigest.co.nz/New_Zealand_s_Most_Trusted_Professions_2010
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[NCherches]

...in almost every country (except the US/Canada) pilot's are still nearly worshiped. This is the only time I wear a 'pilot uniform' most times when I go internationally...Well that and because I love foreign girls.

 

[say again]

You are absolutley right...we don't know the precise number. I think it is what one would call a generalization and was meant as a figure of speech (e.g. everyone hates Obama, the Cowboys are America's team, etc.).

The number isn't that important as we know that 9 out of 10 pilots are decent people (I think). In fact, in a recent survey in New Zealand, pilots rank third (behind firefighters and ambulance officers) as a trusted profession.

http://www.readersdigest.co.nz/New_Zealand_s_Most_Trusted_Professions_2010
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This I agree with with. Avbug was saying that only 5% of the pilot population are decent people. I know exact numbers can't be known, but your ballpark figure seems more likely then his.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

...in almost every country (except the US/Canada) pilot's are still nearly worshiped. This is the only time I wear a 'pilot uniform' most times when I go internationally...Well that and because I love foreign girls.

While I 100% agree on the foreign girls...where have you gone Internationally that pilots are worshipped?