It's one list and one contract for Pinna-col-aba

[Butters]

August 21, 2010​

Fellow employees:​

I wanted to let you know that the management of Mesaba, Colgan and Pinnacle, along with the leadership at ALPA, have reached a consensus to negotiate for a single contract that will include the pilots at each of the three airlines. We plan to meet with ALPA the week of August 23 to determine the ground rules for conducting negotiations with the hope that we can then immediately start expedited negotiations. The negotiations would also address any issues arising from the purchase of Mesaba by Pinnacle Corp. The date to start negotiations will be determined after we finish the ground rules for conducting them. My thanks to the Master Executive Council and everyone at Mesaba for the hard work we have already done. This is positive news and a big step toward producing an agreement that’s fair for the pilots and our airline.​

Sincerely,​

John Spanjers
President​

Mesaba Airlines

 

[Raskal]

I wonder if anyone has stopped laughing yet.

 

[Simon Says]

What is funny about that?

 

[higney85]

For the first time in 5+ years we have one word.... Leverage.

 

[belliott]

For the first time in 5+ years we have one word.... Leverage.

Karma is a bitch kids.... what goes around comes around.

 

[N2264J]

For the first time in 5+ years we have one word.... Leverage.

Not really.

Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan will still be competing with several other MECs and non union carriers for the same flying.

You can thank ALPA for that.

 

[dooork]

Not really.

Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan will still be competing with several other MECs and non union carriers for the same flying.

You can thank ALPA for that.

Welcome to the world. You can thank your parents for that.

 

[General Lee]

Not really.

Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan will still be competing with several other MECs and non union carriers for the same flying.

You can thank ALPA for that.

You can thank the Comair MEC for that when they got their "big" contract after the $1 billion strike back in 2001. They went for the money, and forgot about scope. Ooooops. And they pizzed off everyone else. That is the story about "Condom Air, Delta Protection."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[the palm]

You can thank the Comair MEC for that when they got their "big" contract after the $1 billion strike back in 2001. They went for the money, and forgot about scope. Ooooops. And they pizzed off everyone else. That is the story about "Condom Air, Delta Protection."


Bye Bye---General Lee

What's that saying about people who live in glass houses?

C'mon, Genital Lee. You have to admit that much of the blame lies with Delta mainline and the relaxation of their scope. It's just too bad mainline pilots will never learn this lesson. You can always bet they will remain short-sighted and take the money when it comes to scope. Can't wait to see the 100 seaters start popping up at the DCI carriers.

 

[bri5150]

Wow, has this thread gotten off track.

Butters, thank you for posting the good news. I think we all can agree that having one contract for all three carriers together is a good thing.

 

[Knob]

Congrats..

 

[xjhawk]

I am hoping we do not shoot for the moon and instead get something better than what we (XJ) already have but not so good as to put us at a disadvantage with being competetive when Pinnacle trys for more contracts. Thats the reality of the situation. SLI will be a pain for most a godsend for some, thats just life too. How is it said? As long as everone does not like it, it is fair?

Lets try to keep this positive people. Lets look at the positives that is already coming from this. Furloughs being recalled at Mesaba, FO's at MEsaba who would have been furloughed are not being furloughed, Captains who were looking at a down drage at Mesaba will now stay captains, when Colgan gets teh XJ rates for the Q400's they will all see a very substantial pay rate and better work rules-and and I left out the benefit for the 9E pilots, they get leverage for a better contract and they get about a thousand people joining them complaining that their management has them under staffed and poorly ran! lol

 

[asadonkey]

Can't wait to see the 100 seaters start popping up at the DCI carriers.


This guy makes fun of the DC-9, thinks the crj900 is so great, and posts the above. I know he is a vast minority but geez these guys just don't get it.

 

[the palm]

Can't wait to see the 100 seaters start popping up at the DCI carriers.


This guy makes fun of the DC-9, thinks the crj900 is so great, and posts the above. I know he is a vast minority but geez these guys just don't get it.

Oh we get it. We just see the reality while you live in fantasy land. Pilots at the majors keep going for those short term contract gains while giving up their livelihoods in scope. Why would I want to go to a major when I know the senior guys that run ALPA will just sell my job back to the regionals to line their own pockets?

 

[asadonkey]

Oh we get it. We just see the reality while you live in fantasy land. Pilots at the majors keep going for those short term contract gains while giving up their livelihoods in scope. Why would I want to go to a major when I know the senior guys that run ALPA will just sell my job back to the regionals to line their own pockets?

Nobody said there are no problems in the past on scope or the direction ALPA has taken in the past. I think that tide is slowly turning. You happy flying where you are? great! have a great time, but you bash the major guys and blame alpa as an excuse why you shouldn't apply to go to a major? Thats where the BS warning horn goes off.
Moving up to a major is a calculated risk, and with all risks come rewards and/or potential loss. Make fun of the 9, laugh at the majors and hope crj 1000's come your way...... you never have to take that leap cause its always someone elses fault.

 

[General Lee]

What's that saying about people who live in glass houses?

C'mon, Genital Lee. You have to admit that much of the blame lies with Delta mainline and the relaxation of their scope. It's just too bad mainline pilots will never learn this lesson. You can always bet they will remain short-sighted and take the money when it comes to scope. Can't wait to see the 100 seaters start popping up at the DCI carriers.

Even I admit that it did get off to a bad start at mainline, allowing 50 and even 70 seaters. But, that is where it stopped, until a BK judge forced the issue. If you think that is not correct, then you are WRONG. Since then thousands of DL Captains have left with their lump sum retirements, and the remaining pilots, along with the NWA pilots that joined the list HATE RJs even more. Everyone remaining has been able to see how RJs have ruined this industry, and now even though they are starting to go away (50 seaters and smaller--like E135s), scope is still a HUGE issue. Thanks to recent profits and cash on hand amounts near $5 billion, another slap from a BK judge seems very UNLIKELY, which is BAD for any RJ operator out there. Do you think the CAL/UAL guys will just let Scope slide on this upcoming joint contract? Heck no. They all want raises, but they will NAIL scope down there. Will it be the same at DL? I would have to say a big YES.

Something interesting to point out---at a very recent newhire class at DL, the newhires supposedly heard something interesting, like "Delta would like to bring back some of the 76 seat RJs back into mainline." Why would they say that? Could it be the new law recently signed that states the legacy airlines that use Regionals as their feed could be found liable for a crash at that Regional? (CAL and Colgan? Colgan is trying to dump the name and get on Mesaba's certificate as fast as possible) Sure, that could be a reason, and maybe the legacies just don't trust the training at some of the Regionals, which could cost them BIG bucks if there is a crash again. When asked how DL could take back some 76 seaters, the people replied "We own some of those planes." It would be a good start, and Dalpa already has the pay rates in writing.

Guess what hairy Palm? I don't know one pilot that would vote away a 100 seater. Not one. Keep dreaming, and maybe someday you will also grow some branches on your ding a ling and maybe ask a girl out for a soda.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Smarta$$]

Even I admit that it did get off to a bad start at mainline, allowing 50 and even 70 seaters. But, that is where it stopped, until a BK judge forced the issue. If you think that is not correct, then you are WRONG. Since then thousands of DL Captains have left with their lump sum retirements, and the remaining pilots, along with the NWA pilots that joined the list HATE RJs even more. Everyone remaining has been able to see how RJs have ruined this industry, and now even though they are starting to go away (50 seaters and smaller--like E135s), scope is still a HUGE issue. Thanks to recent profits and cash on hand amounts near $5 billion, another slap from a BK judge seems very UNLIKELY, which is BAD for any RJ operator out there. Do you think the CAL/UAL guys will just let Scope slide on this upcoming joint contract? Heck no. They all want raises, but they will NAIL scope down there. Will it be the same at DL? I would have to say a big YES.

Something interesting to point out---at a very recent newhire class at DL, the newhires supposedly heard something interesting, like "Delta would like to bring back some of the 76 seat RJs back into mainline." Why would they say that? Could it be the new law recently signed that states the legacy airlines that use Regionals as their feed could be found liable for a crash at that Regional? (CAL and Colgan? Colgan is trying to dump the name and get on Mesaba's certificate as fast as possible) Sure, that could be a reason, and maybe the legacies just don't trust the training at some of the Regionals, which could cost them BIG bucks if there is a crash again. When asked how DL could take back some 76 seaters, the people replied "We own some of those planes." It would be a good start, and Dalpa already has the pay rates in writing.

Guess what hairy Palm? I don't know one pilot that would vote away a 100 seater. Not one. Keep dreaming, and maybe someday you will also grow some branches on your ding a ling and maybe ask a girl out for a soda.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Hope you are right about scope. The liability law should have been in place from day one. Mainline carriers should be held RESPONSIBLE if they contract with a sleazy contractor such as Pinnacle, Mesa, Colgan...

 

[Flyer1015]

For the first time in 5+ years we have one word.... Leverage.

We don't have leverage. We've never had, and never will. Too many pu$$ies who fly on vacations, pick up open time at 200%, and work double-hard to ensure on time departures and arrivals.

And look how Mesaba and Colgan got interim contracts until a joint agreement is reached, and Pinnacle management has given us nothing but the middle finger! And add continued insult to injury, all the money that WE have made has been pumped into Colgan to buy their shiny new Q400s. So please spare me the "leverage" talk. When will 9E pilots wake up and realize that there is nothing 'good' coming from all this merger mania and airline buyouts.

 

[belliott]

We don't have leverage. We've never had, and never will. Too many pu$$ies who fly on vacations, pick up open time at 200%, and work double-hard to ensure on time departures and arrivals.

And look how Mesaba and Colgan got interim contracts until a joint agreement is reached, and Pinnacle management has given us nothing but the middle finger! And add continued insult to injury, all the money that WE have made has been pumped into Colgan to buy their shiny new Q400s. So please spare me the "leverage" talk. When will 9E pilots wake up and realize that there is nothing 'good' coming from all this merger mania and airline buyouts.

Colgan does not have an interim contract... we still have no contract whatsoever... lord knows I wish we had an interim contact but nope...

 

[Flyer1015]

Then why were we being told you guys are getting basically the equivalent of XJ rates/contract?