Prevent the Whipsaw: One Pilot Group

[PCL_128]

So exactly how does a single list at SKYW Inc stop the whipsaw? Unless there is language in the mainline contract that includes "brand scope", this won't stop the "whipsaw".

It stops the whipsaw on the micro level, but you're right that it doesn't stop the macro level whipsaw. However, consolidation is likely to do regional pilots a favor, as competition is going to be far less fierce for flying with so few carriers bidding. Other initiatives such as portable longevity will help level the playing field, and with continued consolidation, "brand scope" may well become a possibility again in the future.

 

[AVoiceOfReason]

It stops the whipsaw on the micro level, but you're right that it doesn't stop the macro level whipsaw. However, consolidation is likely to do regional pilots a favor, as competition is going to be far less fierce for flying with so few carriers bidding. Other initiatives such as portable longevity will help level the playing field, and with continued consolidation, "brand scope" may well become a possibility again in the future.

Portable longevity should have been agreed to along time ago. What is this "portable longevity" you speak of. We haven't heard anything in "the trenches". Why do I have to learn of this on FI. It's a great idea, but why is the first I've heard of it?

 

[Nevets]

So exactly how does a single list at SKYW Inc stop the whipsaw? Unless there is language in the mainline contract that includes "brand scope", this won't stop the "whipsaw".

It will stop the mainlines from using the SKYWs of the world to whipsaw other regionals. CAL used SKW as a tool to whipsaw XJT as JA uses SKW to whipsaw ASA. One list helps bring some of it to an end. I thought you were for one list? I thought you said JA wanted to reduce competition? Wouldn't one list reduce competition more than his current plan? Which is it? Does he want to reduce competition or not?

 

[punkpilot48]

So exactly how does a single list at SKYW Inc stop the whipsaw? Unless there is language in the mainline contract that includes "brand scope", this won't stop the "whipsaw".

CAL or DAL planes should be flown by CAL or DAL pilots.

That said one list at INC is a start. Union politics aside I gotta think you know one list is the first step in the right direction.

 

[PCL_128]

It's a great idea, but why is the first I've heard of it?

Probably because you haven't been talking to your reps.

 

[jet pipe ovht]

I'm all for the idea. You say SkyWest is used to whipsaw ASA give me a specific example of where this has happened. Not just theory, i understand the theory. I want some examples.

 

[propilot1983]

I don't know that any examples exist. I am an XJT guy. Merging all lists together will hopefully prevent SkyWest management from pitting one pilot group against the other. One unified voice, better leverage in contract negotiations, and slowly taking back an industry that has gradually been widdled away. Some FO's make less than some workers at McDonalds. We are professionals and deserve to be treated that way on all levels. PREVENT THE WHIPSAW: ONE PILOT GROUP

 

[wms]

You do not want to merge lists with SKYW. We have it better than they do and merging the lists will bring us down. Right now there is healthy competion to see who can be better.

As far as whip-saw, that hasn't happened since they bought us and in fact this place has gotten better than anyone had imagined. I think ASA mgmt is driven to make ASA better in all areas than the parent company and it has been working.

Whip-sawing doesn't make a company better, it makes two companies worse. And being worse is not ASA's or SKYW's goal.

You were bought by a great company and that is a much better option than any of the alternatives XJet faced, from being bought by a true whipsawer to going the way of Comair.

Welcome aboard and I hope this turns out well for us all.

 

[ace6453]

I'm all for the idea. You say SkyWest is used to whipsaw ASA give me a specific example of where this has happened. Not just theory, i understand the theory. I want some examples.

How about during ASA's negotiations SKYW transferred 4 CR7's from ASA to SKYW when ASA didn't play ball at the negotiating table? Or when ASA had CR9 deliveries transferred to SKYW for the same reason. If we were all 1 pilot group, crap like that couldn't happen.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How about during ASA's negotiations SKYW transferred 4 CR7's from ASA to SKYW when ASA didn't play ball at the negotiating table? Or when ASA had CR9 deliveries transferred to SKYW for the same reason. If we were all 1 pilot group, crap like that couldn't happen.

Of course at the time, ALPA denied that it had anything to do with negotiations and that those 900s would have gone anyway...I didn't believe ALPA, but it seems ALPA likes to change the tune to suit it's message....Something to think about....

 

[ASA Captain]

Well Joe the fact is the company had only introduced it's 14% paycut opener a couple months prior. They tossed us a memo "announcing" the CR9's and less than three weeks later told the pilots that they were going to SKW because we didn't agree to their demands. Whether they were ever really going to come to ASA is debatable.

The union did not say it had nothing to do with negotiations. It had everything to do with negotiations. They were trying to beat us like they did the Comair group. They took it. We didn't. They took a paycut to get imaginary airplanes that never existed.

We told them to go stuff it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well Joe the fact is the company had only introduced it's 14% paycut opener a couple months prior. They tossed us a memo "announcing" the CR9's and less than three weeks later told the pilots that they were going to SKW because we didn't agree to their demands. Whether they were ever really going to come to ASA is debatable.

The union did not say it had nothing to do with negotiations. It had everything to do with negotiations. They were trying to beat us like they did the Comair group. They took it. We didn't. They took a paycut to get imaginary airplanes that never existed.

We told them to go stuff it.

So were we "whipsawed" or weren't we? I think we were.

 

[DCMartin]

Gimme a break. Just call it as it is. Xjt just wants SKW's better bases. SFO SBA PSP LAX DEN smell much nicer than EWR IAH and CLE. You rant this no whipsaw message but let's be realistic. It's not going to change much and you are pushing this for your own interests. SKW don't be fooled.

 

[79%N1]

One list with fences for seats and bases takes care of those worries about your precious West Coast bases. How about 2 years fence and then only vacancy driven movement allowed? Would that be enough to protect the Skywest pilots?

 

[wms]

Those -700s were moving and and the -900s were never coming to begin with. The company just saw an opportunity to see if they could use them for negotiations. They did the logical thing and we responded by not giving in.

In fact, I don't remember the company really saying give in or lose the planes. I think they just let the rumor mill do the work for them and they played along.