Virgin America orders 60 Airbus with Sharklets

[meanstreak]

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...gin-america-signs-mou-for-up-to-60-a320s.html

FARNBOROUGH: Virgin America signs MoU for up to 60 A320s
By David Kaminski-Morrow




Virgin America has signed a memorandum of understanding for up to 60 Airbus A320s.
Its agreement, disclosed at the Farnborough Air Show, covers 40 firm and 20 optioned jets.
The aircraft would be delivered from 2013, says the carrier.
No engine selection has been given.

 

[NEDude]

Looks like the struggles continue!

 

[n757st]

Where do they intend to place 40 + 20 airplanes?

 

[NEDude]

I would assume in new cities. We have announced 4 new cities so far this year, with plans for one more before the end of the year.

 

[a320drivr]

Get your frickin pay rates up!

 

[Abe Froman]

Get your frickin pay rates up!

We will need to get some more of your passengers flying with us first. Don't worry A-320drivr, that will happen soon enough.

 

[clickclickboom]

We will need to get some more of your passengers flying with us first. Don't worry A-320drivr, that will happen soon enough.

hey Abe have the tug push you backwards and it will take the hours off the planes..

 

[labbats]

hey Abe have the tug push you backwards and it will take the hours off the planes..

That wasn't his car. Sausage kings take limos!

Also, fake suicides don't make heros of your friends. It just frustrates them and delays the run home.

 

[skidbuggy]

An MoU... what does that mean? Is that a promise to order the jets without actually having to sign the order?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

with 28 million in cash...pure arrogance

 

[Headfake14]

chess move? bluff? wish list?

 

[clickclickboom]

That wasn't his car. Sausage kings take limos!

Also, fake suicides don't make heros of your friends. It just frustrates them and delays the run home.

That is some funny s___ t right there

 

[JT8D]

Where do they intend to place 40 + 20 airplanes?

Where Spirit flys them. The Spirit pilots have priced themselves out of business apparently...

 

[hyflyin]

Where Spirit flys them. The Spirit pilots have priced themselves out of business apparently...

Who thinks that?? Certainly not anyone I work with, we are pretty excited about their achievement..... although it seems many of the Spirit pilots on this board are not.

 

[hyflyin]

chess move? bluff? wish list?

Just like looking at 787's is....... :laugh:

 

[hyflyin]

with 28 million in cash...pure arrogance

Pure planning.....

 

[spinproof]

From Wikipedia

"A memorandum of understanding (MOU or MoU) is a document describing a bilateral or multilateral agreement between parties. It expresses a convergence of will between the parties, indicating an intended common line of action. It is often used in cases where parties either do not imply a legal commitment or in situations where the parties cannot create a legally enforceable agreement. It is a more formal alternative to a gentlemen's agreement."

 

[BeachBummer]

An MoU... what does that mean? Is that a promise to order the jets without actually having to sign the order?

pretty much. We'll buy those if ummmm... well if we can get some one to finance them.

 

[BeachBummer]

Just like looking at 787's is....... :laugh:

This is just like pulling up another auto add on your cell phone while the salesman is trying to get you to buy the one your standing in front of.

JB is pissed at airbus for not dropping the price on the 320's, so they're "looking" at alternatives.

 

[NEDude]

pretty much. We'll buy those if ummmm... well if we can get some one to finance them.

Airbus has offered to finance some of them, but VX has said they do not expect it will be needed.

 

[Tomct]

Even with planes coming, people are still doubting. That is too funny! We are only going to get bigger. Thx for your concerns though.....

 

[NEDude]

We had a company wide meeting yesterday - things are looking VERY good.

 

[Smoking Man]

We had a company wide meeting yesterday - things are looking VERY good.

Are they going to pay you more?

 

[redflyer65]

NO, they won't.

 

[flyboyzii]

with 28 million in cash...pure arrogance

Silly me...I thought all of the Kindergarten behavior was at the Regionals. *sigh*

 

[Smoking Man]

We had a company wide meeting yesterday - things are looking VERY good.

Still no answer to the more pay question eh?

 

[jayme]

I suspect it will be around the time we have some leverage. What do you think?

 

[NEDude]

Still no answer to the more pay question eh?

Pay will come with time. There was a point when Southwest was young their pay was far behind. There was a point when UPS was young their pay was far behind. There was a point when JetBlue was young their pay was far behind. As Virgin grows and continues to establish as a company the pay will come. Fortunately some of us have some perspective and are able to understand and accept that. As for the short-term, the pay scale now is far better than at any regional out there and it comes with far greater career potential than any regional can offer. If things continue to progress as the current numbers indicate, there are few majors out there that can offer the potential that Virgin can offer, especially for those of us who are older than our mid-30s.

So the short answer to your question is no, there are no immediate improvements forecast for the pay rates. However we just had a pay raise that took effect in June, and all indications are that as the company grows and moves towards profitability the company will continue to increase the pay rates as well. And with the news from the company meeting, that growth and profitability will come sooner rather than later.

You remind me of a captain I flew with a few years back who was one of the most bitter, angry and rotten people I have ever flown with. Everything about the company was just awful and made sure I knew it over the entire four days of our trip. I finally asked him what would make the company better and him satisfied with his job and his response was "ten dollars an hour more". I am so glad we do not have many of those people here, makes going to work so much nicer.

Have a nice day.

 

[Smoking Man]

Pay will come with time. There was a point when Southwest was young their pay was far behind. There was a point when UPS was young their pay was far behind. There was a point when JetBlue was young their pay was far behind. As Virgin grows and continues to establish as a company the pay will come. Fortunately some of us have some perspective and are able to understand and accept that. As for the short-term, the pay scale now is far better than at any regional out there and it comes with far greater career potential than any regional can offer. If things continue to progress as the current numbers indicate, there are few majors out there that can offer the potential that Virgin can offer, especially for those of us who are older than our mid-30s.

So the short answer to your question is no, there are no immediate improvements forecast for the pay rates. However we just had a pay raise that took effect in June, and all indications are that as the company grows and moves towards profitability the company will continue to increase the pay rates as well. And with the news from the company meeting, that growth and profitability will come sooner rather than later.

You remind me of a captain I flew with a few years back who was one of the most bitter, angry and rotten people I have ever flown with. Everything about the company was just awful and made sure I knew it over the entire four days of our trip. I finally asked him what would make the company better and him satisfied with his job and his response was "ten dollars an hour more". I am so glad we do not have many of those people here, makes going to work so much nicer.

Have a nice day.

I am actually one of the happiest people you will ever meet. However forward looking statments, talking points, and feel good conversation about making work nicer will not put food in your stomach or a 20% deposit on a home as quickly as an industry average pay.

 

[mxer]

Like the man said, give it time. Industry average pay is great if you have growth. Most places are to the point of having ten year FO's. As a nine year and now furloughed FO, I'm looking forward to being at a place that has plans to grow. To each his own. Much better than being unemployed.