Hawaiian Jumpseat War

[Raoul Duke]

Heard from a buddy at Hawaiian that they have been refusing to let go! pilots on their JS. Too funny, couldn't happen to a better group.

 

[CRJFlyer]

go! is not well liked in Hawaii...

 

[GuppyWN]

Now? After 3 years? I happen to agree but I'd have done it from day 1.

Gup

 

[dooork]

Now? After 3 years? I happen to agree but I'd have done it from day 1.

Gup

Really, why.....did the pilot group do this....what the f are you talking about. use your brain dum azz.

 

[samballs]

Really, why.....did the pilot group do this....what the f are you talking about. use your brain dum azz.

Not all together, but they gave a helping hand by having the worst contract in the industry.

 

[Fltlvls]

Not all together, but they gave a helping hand by having the worst contract in the industry.

Just what FI needs, another thread about Mesa and their contract and about things the pilot group deserve and this and that and blah blah blah.... Geez children, grow up...BTW.. Their contract has nothing to do with getting a JS.

 

[Captain Morgan]

"Divide and Conquer" Some of you seem like you are very intelligent, but I don't know how people with smarts fall for this age old tactic.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Jumpseats and politics don't mix.....

Shame on Hawaiian Pilots.....

Mesa and Go Sucks BTW.....but never drag a jumpseat into it.

 

[Dan Roman]

OK Reality check here. I guess this rumor started because our recent MEC update came out with a response to an isolated incident. They made it very clear the last thing we want is a "jumpseat war". Go pilots have been riding on us with no problem.

Something to consider though, we have a lot of ex AQ pilots flying for us. So it is understandable that some would not be all that stoked about having a Go pilot on board, which is how the problem arose. Also, we do have to be vigilant if Mesa is trying to us the jumpseat for pilots traveling on company business to save money when relocating crews to Hawaii. This is a big no no.

But the bottom line is we are not instigating a jumpseat war, it was an isolated incident that the MEC wants to make sure that it doesn't happen again.

 

[say again]

OK Reality check here. I guess this rumor started because our recent MEC update came out with a response to an isolated incident. They made it very clear the last thing we want is a "jumpseat war". Go pilots have been riding on us with no problem.

Something to consider though, we have a lot of ex AQ pilots flying for us. So it is understandable that some would not be all that stoked about having a Go pilot on board, which is how the problem arose. Also, we do have to be vigilant if Mesa is trying to us the jumpseat for pilots traveling on company business to save money when relocating crews to Hawaii. This is a big no no.

But the bottom line is we are not instigating a jumpseat war, it was an isolated incident that the MEC wants to make sure that it doesn't happen again.

Thanks for clarifying Dan, as one who actually knows the situation. We all know this is how rumors start, and explode!!

 

[Jim]

^ What Dan said.

It's been 2 years since I flew interisland, but when I did I never had a Captain deny a Go/Mesa pilot a jumpseat. And this was in the time frame when they were under-cutting ticket prices, HA was in court with them over their business practices, and AQ was fighting for their survival.

On the 767, I see Go/Meas pilots all the time traveling to/from the mainland. Again, I've never once had a Caption deny one.

This was a couple of isolated incidents that our jumpseat coordinator and MEC moved quickly to crush. There is no jumpseat war and there never has been.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Jumpseats and politics don't mix.....

Shame on Hawaiian Pilots.....

Mesa and Go Sucks BTW.....but never drag a jumpseat into it.

Go pilots, via their management contributed to the demise of Aloha. Good on th HA guys!
PBR

 

[Cloudroller]

Go pilots, via their management contributed to the demise of Aloha. Good on th HA guys!
PBR

GO Pilots had nothing to do with the demise of Aloha. Why dont you point your finger at JO or some other management guys.

 

[ual321]

It's about time that somebody figured out that MESA is Deadheading crews on other airlines Jumpseats.

 

[say again]

Go pilots, via their management contributed to the demise of Aloha. Good on th HA guys!
PBR

via their management?? I seriously hope you are kidding, though I doubt you are. of course we all didn't want to see the demise of Aloha, but to blame the pilots for managements decision is pure ignorance.

 

[HAL]

I did have a talk with one Captain who was about to deny a Go! pilot the jumpseat on our flight. He was angry that they had forced so many of his Aloha friends out of work - and that they should have known that when they signed on at Mesa. But I pointed out that any pilot flying for Go! right now was hired well before the whole Go/Aloha/Mokulele debacle. I tried to convince him that it wasn't this pilot's fault about what happened to Aloha, but rather the management's fault at both Aloha and Mesa. He relented that time, but I know he'd denied JS'ers before, and probably did again. It's my guess that he was the reason the memo came out, as I haven't heard of any other Captains denying Mesa jumpseaters.

HAL

 

[dooork]

It's about time that somebody figured out that MESA is Deadheading crews on other airlines Jumpseats.

More BS. MESA has no way of deadheading a crew on a jumpseat.

 

[spitfire1500]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[HAL]

More BS. MESA has no way of deadheading a crew on a jumpseat.

No, unfortunately not BS. When Mesa was starting up their Go! operation, they simply told several of their crew members to 'get to Hawaii', on their own. I met two of these guys trying to get to HNL and they confirmed it. Word quickly spread to our jumpseat committee, then back to the MAG union, who put a stop to it right away.

HAL

 

[Dan Roman]

I recently heard of a Mainland based Go pilot using the jumpseat to go fly in Hawaii on temp duty, may or may not be the case, I wasn't there. We do need to be vigilante for Mesa sending pilots to Hawaii to work and not paying their way over here.