UX off the runway in ottawa

[SYX328]

And the plane was delyed leaving IAD due to a MX issue. And according to the interview with one of the pax, the CA came ove and said they had no brakes.

 

[CA1900]

"Could not duplicate; ops chk good"

 

[Oakum_Boy]

No brakes because the tires were hydroplaning. The Flight Safety Foundation put out an overrun risk assesment paper several years ago which everyone should read. I'm sure those planes with no reverse are a nightmare- no way to get slowed below hydroplane speed. and a huge problem during winter I'm sure. Add the regional roster pattern and crap management- it can happen. AF did the same thing in Toronto a bit ago..

 

[Bluestreak]

It is an option. To my knowledge, Trans States is the only airline to opt out.

Nope-CHQ had two from some bankrupt Greek airline called Axxon,or some such.N974RP was one,I think ? P.O.S. didn't even have a galley cart !

 

[Dornier 335]

It is an option. To my knowledge, Trans States is the only airline to opt out.

Nope-CHQ had two from some bankrupt Greek airline called Axxon,or some such.N974RP was one,I think ? P.O.S. didn't even have a galley cart !

The first 145 LUs (the ones without thrust reversers) that TSA received were ex-Crossair birds, basically LR models without thrust reversers. BA CityExpress in the UK that later merged into Flybe had 145EUs that are basically EPs without thrust reversers. When Flybe phased out their 145s last year two or three went to Greece that I believe now ended up with RP. Opinions can differ about the ex AXXON 145s but they had ovens in them and I enjoyed warm crew food back when I flew for Flybe. Nothing better than some spicy Chicken Tikka when you cross the channel!

Other 145 operators in Europe do not have TRs on them (BMI Regional, Swedens City Airlines etc.) and there had only been two runway overruns in Europe, BA CityExpress in HAJ and Flybe in STR. The latter one was due to inadequate snow removal on the runway. HAJ was due to a brake issue I think.

The LR/LU and EP/EU difference doesn't actually lie with the TR equipment, but with the max. allowable ramp weight that is just 40 lbs more. Some non-equipped TR 145s are LRs. Even the Feds overseeing TSA got initially confused.

Hope the pilots get well soon. This is the second TSA overrun in YOW and it seems to be brake-related again.

 

[Dave's kid]

This is the second TSA overrun in YOW and it seems to be brake-related again.

Here's the story on the first one:

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2004/a04o0188/a04o0188.pdf

Not entirely brake related. Had they not not been high, fast, Flaps 22, and touched down half way down the 8000' long runway, the first one would have stopped before the end of the runway.

 

[GCAP]

I just read the report on the first overrun.
Do these guys still have jobs???
Erased the CVR???
Amazing!!

 

[nerjdriver]

I just read the report on the first overrun.
Do these guys still have jobs???
Erased the CVR???
Amazing!!

Do you honestly expect any more from TSA?

 

[johndt]

Do you honestly expect any more from TSA?

easy, man. The TSA pilot group are good people and good pilots in general. We struggle with bad apples and pilots make bad decisions like at any other airline. I'm proud of the women and men that I fly with at TSA.

 

[Rough67]

Do you honestly expect any more from TSA?

Em.. can you elaborate on this? If you are trying to insult me or some of my best friends that used to work there (or still do) drop me a pm so we can discuss..

 

[CX880]

Looks like they used runway 25. They had an extra 2k to play with with the other one.

 

[johndt]

Looks like they used runway 25. They had an extra 2k to play with with the other one.

i doubt anyone here would have refused to accept a landing clearance for 25

 

[CX880]

i doubt anyone here would have refused to accept a landing clearance for 25

Eyewitness reports say that it was heavy rain and runway was slick all day. You have no TRs. At that point it's like landing a minivan in a heavy downpour with no ABS. 2nd TSA jet overrun both with no TRs, just saying...

 

[johndt]

Eyewitness reports say that it was heavy rain and runway was slick all day. You have no TRs. At that point it's like landing a minivan in a heavy downpour with no ABS. 2nd TSA jet overrun both with no TRs, just saying...

So you would have refused to land on runway 25 assuming you had plenty of performance? Let me help you, you would have attempted the same landing. It's easy to second-guess every decision, but if they had the performance, the decision to land on 25 is ok.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Good reading the Canadian report. They, like many other civilised countries do not point the finger. The US, well, I won't be surprised if the next regional fatality puts surviving crew in the clink. Personally, i'd use this kind of opportunity to give the finger to mgmt. And move on to something more humane.