AS management pilots flying as First Officers

[tico]

Given that 87 % of active Alaska Pilots approve of instructors staffing the right seat, the astute, furloughed fo would get a resume, get a suit and try like he11 to get a real job at Delta or anywhere else they could find one......fella's, hate to say it but no one there even remembers your names

 

[igneousy2]

I love to hear about how quickly some of these guys upgraded to CA. 4 years is a pretty nice number. Unfortunately it's not right now.

I think you misunderstood the recruiter...they meant that the current senior 10 year FO's were going to get a 4 year upgrade!

 

[charlieB]

All our productivity enhancements (premium, VSA, 90 hours, etc.) should have been discontinued the day after the first furlough occurred. The co. is counting on the trough-ers covering this summer's shortfall, and they will not be disappointed.

 

[tico]

All our productivity enhancements (premium, VSA, 90 hours, etc.) should have been discontinued the day after the first furlough occurred. The co. is counting on the trough-ers covering this summer's shortfall, and they will not be disappointed.

You are correct about that.....The vast majority of Alaska Airlines pilots are solid "me firsters".....very selfish group over there....So much so that Alaska will most likely be able to furlough again in the fall.

 

[NWaviator]

Saw this today. Ayer ended up making $4.57 million last year while the average worker made just $32,000.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

You are correct about that.....The vast majority of Alaska Airlines pilots are solid "me firsters".....very selfish group over there....So much so that Alaska will most likely be able to furlough again in the fall.

The pilots at alaska are greedy, but you're outta touch if you think they're going to furlough in the fall.

 

[Green Banana]

The pilots at alaska are greedy, but you're outta touch if you think they're going to furlough in the fall.

Funny, That is exactly what a capn told me before I got furloughed. Do I know you?

 

[Captzaahlie]

The root of all this evil is the "gummers". You listen to these guys for 5, 7, 10 years say how much they can't wait to retire - then they turn 60 and stay. If the "gummers" were gone, there would have been no furloughs. It is like a giant 5 year pause button on all our careers.
The good news is that it will make our pension more secure because most of these guys will die a lot younger. Statistically every year you work past age 60 costs you two years in life expectancy.
The other good news is that most of these guys won't even make it to 65. They will try to, but they won't make it. Very few of them that I have flown with have the health to make it 5 more years. They will medical out soon.
So lets looks forward to some better days, getting the old guys outa hear and getting our furloughs back!

"GUMMERS"~ love it!

 

[charlieB]

<<Furloughs are not back because of the amount of open time guys on vacation are picking up (approx 15hrs per person avg),...>

Did I miss something in the new contract? Can you work while you're on vacation, or are you referring to flying prior to/after the vacation start/stop dates?

<<TK also did not say they won't do this anymore...he is simply stopping until the SMG is able to meet.>>

To quote from a forum post offered long ago and far away: "Stopping doing the wrong thing is not exactly the same as 'doing the right thing.'"

 

[Fubijaakr]

People on vacation can't pick up open time.

 

[mach none]

Check airman in ANC can sell one day of vacation back to VSA during volcanic eruptions though. FODOs can pick up FO premium trips over and above their guarantee to keep the trip from cancelling...and fly with their buddy in the left seat.

Both have been disputed and the last one is good for the furloughed pilots somehow.

 

[kingair1]

The pilots at alaska are greedy, but you're outta touch if you think they're going to furlough in the fall.

Oh really ??? That's new .... Can you tell me the real percentage of greediness ? You seem to know more then me.... Is there a difference where your based ? Enlighten me please !

 

[Fubijaakr]

FODOs can pick up FO premium trips over and above their guarantee to keep the trip from cancelling...and fly with their buddy in the left seat.

If this is about the trip 5/26 that started the controversy and since the trip in question was mine let me correct the "record."

1. The scheduled F/O called in sick one hour prior to push.
2. As a result, the trip was never posted as a premium pay trip.
3. The FODO in question did not "pick up" the trip.
4. While this FODO and I have worked together professionally on safety issues, he and I aren't "buddies."

When the scheduled F/O called in sick, Crew Skeds pulled this guy off a PMCF and sent him over to fly the line flight. Not being a Scheduling Committee guy, I didn't even realize this was a problem until I got an email from them the next day asking how he ended up in the right seat.

I told them. And the rest is history.

 

[QCappy]

If this is about the trip 5/26 that started the controversy and since the trip in question was mine let me correct the "record."

1. The scheduled F/O called in sick one hour prior to push.
2. As a result, the trip was never posted as a premium pay trip.
3. The FODO in question did not "pick up" the trip.
4. While this FODO and I have worked together professionally on safety issues, he and I aren't "buddies."

When the scheduled F/O called in sick, Crew Skeds pulled this guy off a PMCF and sent him over to fly the line flight. Not being a Scheduling Committee guy, I didn't even realize this was a problem until I got an email from them the next day asking how he ended up in the right seat.

I told them. And the rest is history.

Yes it was! I have the proof.

 

[Dash8don]

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[Fubijaakr]

It is hard for me to believe that with less than 5 minutes between when the F/O called in sick and the FODO was assigned the trip was posted and picked up.

As far as I knew, he was assigned by Crew Skeds after they pulled him off his PMCF and cancelled it. Personally, I would prefer the Company recall furloughed pilots and staff the reserve pool properly.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Oh really ??? That's new .... Can you tell me the real percentage of greediness ? You seem to know more then me.... Is there a difference where your based ? Enlighten me please !

I guess I misrepresented in my original post. I didn't mean to call all AS pilots greedy. I meant to write that there are greedy pilots who will max out their line values and VSA with no regard to furloughed pilots.

I've never heard of measuring greediness in percentage terms. I do know that there are plenty of pilots in both seats, in all bases, who will pick up premium trips.