Understand Continental Junior Pilots???

[Crucianpilot]

This guy does not speak for me or the majority of the bottom 1/3 of the seniority list.

 

[nimtz]

This document was a thesis paper for his MBA and he interviewed and met with management pilots in the construction of the document.

He got an MBA with that this as his prime thesis!?! No wonder corporate America is in the gutter! I wrote more insightful and thorough papers in college the morning after keggers then this piece of junk. Although based on this 'analysis' I'd say he's perfect management material at CAL. :erm:

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Still, academically it's week. Best support is using Maslow which is outdated and relatively unsupported. The rest is crap, and he makes no real outcomes or theoretical distinctions between junior/senior pilots by age or seniority. My guess is he's a millenial, so this doesn't really come as a surprise....a Facebook for junior pilots? WTF.

 

[The Drizzle]

Still, academically it's week.

Oh, the irony.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow! The poor kid thinks flying large jets over longer routes is too difficult to stay professional, he thinks it's hard getting along with other pilots that are not just like him, it's to big of a blow to his ego not to be a "Captain" for the time being, etc.,etc. Those "old farts" he is whinging about are the ones who fought the toughest labor battle in our history against Lorenzo, at great expense to their careers, THEY won that battle but it took a LONG time. Yes some were scabs, but a lot were not. They fought the good fight and finally managed to get a good contract (with ALPA's help) in the 90's.
No, this kid can't stand the fact that pilots who spent most of their career making nothing and fighting for a better future will work till 65. He thinks he is being persecuted because everyone's career window got extended and he has to wait an extra few years before he can go around and tell everyone he is a jet "Captain".
Tell me again, who are the self centered ones here?

 

[Dan Roman]

Oh yeah, one thing about pilots, no matter how great our age difference is, we all have a common bond of aviation in common. No matter how much older or younger a fellow pilot is I've always found plenty of interesting conversation with other pilots because of at least having one thing in common. It's not that hard to get along with someone for a few hours unless you are a total snob and only want to associate with "educated" folks like yourself. If you keep an open mind and bury the judgemental thinking, you will find a lot of interesting people in our business. It's just not that hard getting along in the cockpit with most anyone unless you are a total ass and completely unable to talk about anything other than you and your own interests.

I will say this, this poor kid hasn't done the junior CAL pilots any favors in the upcoming merger talks. Let's see, we have furloughed UAL guys paying their dues vs. kids like this with a heightened sense of entitlement..........

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Oh, the irony.

I've worked closely with two USC MBAs and neither impressed me with his grammar or spelling skills. Apparently USC doesn't find the ability to write to be an important attribute for business leaders.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Dan: Read the thread, he's an intern. Nice SA gramps.

BTW, WTF are talking about with the "Lorenzo years [were the worst in history]" and "Yes, some were scabs", and "they fought the good fight"? Is your head completely lodged in your anus? Does anything matter to you other than being old? You are suggesting that crossing a picket line is a lesser flaw than disagreeing with you on retirement age?! I don't care how screwed up you think this kid is, you don't give a scab a nod over this sort of youngster. Not for this.

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey Dan: Read the thread, he's an intern. Nice SA gramps.

BTW, WTF are talking about with the "Lorenzo years [were the worst in history]" and "Yes, some were scabs", and "they fought the good fight"? Is your head completely lodged in your anus? Does anything matter to you other than being old? You are suggesting that crossing a picket line is a lesser flaw than disagreeing with you on retirement age?! I don't care how screwed up you think this kid is, you don't give a scab a nod over this sort of youngster. Not for this.

Wasn't he hired in March 2006 as a pilot?

 

[Flopgut]

He was an intern with Continental and his desire down the road is to work in management. A friend of mine knows him better than I do and this is what was relayed to me. He doesn't represent me(2005 hire) or my thoughts, or the thoughts of most of us hired during this time. He means well but is going at all this the wrong way. This document was a thesis paper for his MBA and he interviewed and met with management pilots in the construction of the document.

Here's someone who knows him.

I'm not going to get drawn into a protracted discussion with you. You need to retract your comment about "scabs", "fighting the good fight" and you need to do so immediately. Your statement makes a mockery of those who have actually fought; Pilots I'm guessing you've never met.

 

[Dan Roman]

BTW for the record. A lot of pilots stayed out on strike till the end and made huge sacrifices. It was a long and tough battle and way to complex to get into here, but suffice to say to characterize all senior pilots as "scabs" is a very ignorant and short sided point of view. A lot of pilots at CAL from a lot of varied backgrounds, like all airlines.

 

[Flopgut]

BTW for the record. A lot of pilots stayed out on strike till the end and made huge sacrifices. It was a long and tough battle and way to complex to get into here, but suffice to say to characterize all senior pilots as "scabs" is a very ignorant and short sided point of view. A lot of pilots at CAL from a lot of varied backgrounds, like all airlines.

Yes! And your words are a complete insult to these legit strikers! How are you confused about this?!

I work with strikers. You evidently don't.

 

[Dan Roman]

My words saying it's wrong to disrespect the senior CO pilots?

 

[Flopgut]

Those "old farts" he is whinging about are the ones who fought the toughest labor battle in our history against Lorenzo, at great expense to their careers, THEY won that battle but it took a LONG time. Yes some were scabs, but a lot were not. They fought the good fight and finally managed to get a good contract (with ALPA's help) in the 90's.

Here is the prevailing etiquette a striker uses for guys who want to throw around the scab word: Shoot first, ask questions later. I'm saying the above words of yours indicate you need a correction. The "scabs" didn't win a "battle". You need to clear that up asap. I don't agree with this kid's thesis either, but you can't give a guy who crossed a picket line a pass over a frustrated kid.

 

[Dan Roman]

All I am saying is it's wrong to treat all senior pilots as if they are scabs, read my post carefully, I did not say the "scabs" fought the good fight, the majority of them are not scabs and they fought a very very tough fight. They deserve this kids respect.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wasn't he hired in March 2006 as a pilot?

Still waiting for an answer.

Gramps

 

[Flopgut]

They deserve this kids respect.

They have his respect. They do not deserve his future.

While they were on strike they collected strike pay. Funded by the membership through assesments. These guys got their fair share in the long run. But most importantly, when they were engaged in this "fight" the tab was being picked up by the senior alpa membership at the time. It's their turn to pick up the tab and pass on the advancement. Don't want to get treated like a scab? Don't act like one.

 

[BillJBrake]

This guy is a tool beyond words. A good example...

He had a BMW key-chain, but when asked what kind of BMW he'd say "I don't drive a BMW, my parents in South Carolina do, I have a Nissan Sentra, but I like the BMW look".

What a d-bag, riddle tool and now it seems he's sucked enough c0ck to work his way, soon enough he'll be the next Frank Lorenzo!

 

[NavinRJohnson]

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[Flopgut]

I will say this, this poor kid hasn't done the junior CAL pilots any favors in the upcoming merger talks. Let's see, we have furloughed UAL guys paying their dues vs. kids like this with a heightened sense of entitlement..........

Being furloughed is not "paying their dues". Where did you come up with that? It's a terribly unfortunate thing to be furloughed, but the reason is real simple: An ignorant acting, greedy, bootlicker, concessionist (in other words a guy like you) signed away their scope clause in an attempt to save his own retirement plan. You can't gloss that over, there is no better example than these two pilot groups. CAL didn't totally screw over the junior, UAL did. Some version of the CAL scope clause has to survive the merger and then we can get furloughs back to work. I get that you wouldn't mind sabotaging that possibility and get the UAL furloughs fighting the CAL junior because you're that kind of person, and it helps mask the failures of old guys. But remember the real reason they are furloughed is old guys blew it, and keep your nose out of it.

Again, this guy's resume says "intern". Nuff said. UAL has them too.