Freedom A List question

[Sandhawk]

A USAirways east pilot is running for USAPA Exec VP. While furloughed from USAir, he was hired at Freedom on Jan 6, 2003. According to McDudu -

"Steve got trained and then got fired for refusing to Fly the line at Freedom while being at the time furloughed from Usair."

That is his defense. His name is on the Freedom A List - do you consider him to be a sc@b or not? He was hired, got a free type rating, and then decided to quit. Surely, as an ALPA pilot he knew the circumstances about Freedom.

WHAT SAY YOU ???

 

[Tarzan]

Just because he is/was an "ALPA" did not mean he knew what was going on there. If he did stand his ground and was terminated, he has a leg to stand on. Even if he didn't and wasn't aware but left when he could, I am still sympathetic.

 

[LearLove]

he cost them (mesa) 20K + in training fees then refused to fly the line. looks like he is a better union pilot than all of us put together.

 

[Sandhawk]

Things that make you go hmmmmm!

The following is from the December 18, 2002 US Airways MEC code-a-phone:

“The MEC directed the MEC officers and Negotiating Committee to inform US Airways management that the MEC ... objects to any potential or contemplated code sharing arrangement with Freedom Air unless its pilots are represented by ALPA. The US Airways MEC supports the actions of ALPA International’s Executive Council and Executive Board in opposing the formation of Freedom Air as a non-union entity, and directed that all furloughed US Airways pilots be notified of the Executive Board, Executive Council and MEC’s opposition to Freedom Air.

Any pilot on the US Airways seniority list that accepts employment with Freedom Air will lose all US Airways MEC-sponsored ALPA privileges, including but not limited to jumpseat, health insurance, web access, furlough administrator access, and ALPA-provided job search programs. If applicable, the US Airways MEC will file Article VIII charges against any US Airways seniority list pilot accepting or remaining in employment with Freedom Air after February 1, 2003, for engaging in action detrimental to the Association.”

 

[LearLove]

yeah but then 3 years later ALPA had no problem telling MDA furloughs to get jobs with Gojets. whatever ALPA.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I am told that he was not terminated for refusing to fly a trip. He couldn't pass IOE

 

[Chairman]

do you consider him to be a sc@b or not?
WHAT SAY YOU ???

Well by defination he can not be a SCAB as no picket line was crossed during struck work. The "S" word gets thrown around to much!

Chairman

 

[PFTEXPJET]

If you are on the Freedom A list you knew what was happening at the time. The Mesa MEC when to the training house and told all the Freedom ground schools that what they where doing was wrong and hurting the Mesa pilots chances to get a better contract. It's that simple!

 

[CX880]

yeah but then 3 years later ALPA had no problem telling MDA furloughs to get jobs with Gojets. whatever ALPA.

Where is the Gojets A list? Who cares people. The guy was at USair before going to Freedom for crying out loud. Does that mean that USair hired a potential scab???? This scab word gets tossed around too often, at the end of the day working for an airline that supposedly undercuts another pilot group is not being a scab. If that was the true definition then we would all be scabs.

 

[flythere]

Instead of the S word, I think the correct term would be union buster! It seems they effectively broke the negotiating power of the MESA union.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Freedom and GoJets were both created by ALPA's inability to deal with the scope issue....ALPA created these issues...How about the fact that the CAL MEC Chairman was a real scab an crossed a picket line...and sat with Woerth at the table.....Hmmm......

 

[Volasl]

Is this the same Crimi that was at PSA Airlines during J4J?

 

[Crzipilot]

Yup it is

 

[Sandhawk]

Well by defination he can not be a SCAB as no picket line was crossed during struck work. The "S" word gets thrown around to much!

Chairman

I ask because I have always heard Mesa guys refer to them as scabs. By the same token, as the definintion above, the pilots that allegedly "scabbed" Ansett couldn't be scabs, as there was no strike (right? - I'm asking.).

There are obviously some grey areas, but in the end, both of the above named pilot groups worked to the detriment of others.

 

[CX880]

There are obviously some grey areas, but in the end, both of the above named pilot groups worked to the detriment of others.

You must be new to the industry..................................

 

[ChinaClipper]

The Freedumb A listers....

knew EXACTLY what they were doing! As I recall, ALPA sent Duane Worth out to PHX personally to set the record straight! One A lister even sent people a pic of his New Porsche he bought, using Freedumb A list bribe money for the down payment, he even URGED people to Join the party! I hope FedEx enjoys his presence....Punt a....Just like the USAir types who gave the Proving runs there experience and went to Jet Blue.....Virgin et al.....Never forget.....

 

[sniper]

A USAirways east pilot is running for USAPA Exec VP. While furloughed from USAir, he was hired at Freedom on Jan 6, 2003. According to McDudu -

"Steve got trained and then got fired for refusing to Fly the line at Freedom while being at the time furloughed from Usair."

That is his defense. His name is on the Freedom A List - do you consider him to be a sc@b or not? He was hired, got a free type rating, and then decided to quit. Surely, as an ALPA pilot he knew the circumstances about Freedom.

WHAT SAY YOU ???

I was there at the time, he flat out lies.

He did not refuse and quit.

We merged the list and the only position he could have was a reserve FO for the next 3 years.

That M---F--r is nothing less than a selfish F---k

He did not get fired, he quit because the left seat was gone.....


No sympathy for pilots with no integrity.

 

[Taco Rocket]

knew EXACTLY what they were doing! As I recall, ALPA sent Duane Worth out to PHX personally to set the record straight! One A lister even sent people a pic of his New Porsche he bought, using Freedumb A list bribe money for the down payment, he even URGED people to Join the party!

The guy you are talking about eventually got fired (from Mesa, not Freedom) for abuse of sick time. Actually, he called in sick and then committed a crime.... classy f***s those Freedom A listers...

 

[Raoul Duke]

didnt he fail his PC or IOE?