Cabotage, coming to a city near you?

[Paul R. Smith]

Pardon me if I am wrong but what is CAL's first year pay? It is not a regional or furloughed pilot thing, it is a pilot thing. If it was not for the close minded mainline pilots none of the RJ would have ben out sourced. You know the saying "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones?"

If you care so much about your future as well as the regional guys you guys would be pushing for a staple of EGL to AMR's list, CPZ, CMR, Mesaba, etc to DL, maybe XJT to CAL but you know and I know that will never happen. Partly because most mainline guys see it as regional guys' dream, as well as the "i had to interview here and I deserve it" BS!

I am not trying to start anything with you I am just throwing out ideas!

You have a fairly abrasive way of throwing out ideas.
I understand as well as many others do that this is a win-win for pilots. The problem is there is no leverage to force the company to do this.

Us:"You must merge mainline and express pilot seniority lists".
Mgmt: "No".
Us: "I strenuously urge you to merge the lists"
Mgmt: "Well in that case....No".

 

[N2264J]

The problem is there is no leverage to force the company to do this.

Us:"You must merge mainline and express pilot seniority lists".
Mgmt: "No".
Us: "I strenuously urge you to merge the lists"
Mgmt: "Well in that case....No".

Labor has a right, under federal law, to bargain collectively.

When the Delta MEC threw Comair and ASA pilots under the bus in front of management in 2000, managements everywhere took the hint.

While I was in JFK over the weekend, I saw a British Airways Airbus 319.

 

[GogglesPisano]

When the Delta MEC threw Comair and ASA pilots under the bus in front of management in 2000, managements everywhere took the hint. .

How did DALPA throw you under the bus?

 

[jppt2000]

How did DALPA throw you under the bus?

It's been 10 years since I left ASA, but I remember the phrase, lack of sufficient operational integration.

 

[N2264J]

How did DALPA throw you under the bus?

Throwing their regionals to the alter ego alligators in an attempt to avoid being eaten. But you will. Your MEC set the precedent in stone.

Think of DCI as the new global business model:

http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2010/UALIADpicket_3-29-10.htm

 

[GogglesPisano]

Throwing their regionals to the alligators first in an attempt to be eaten last.
You will. Your MEC established the precedent.

Think of DCI as the new global business model:

http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2010/UALIADpicket_3-29-10.htm

You're still not clear. The article you posted made a very strong argument for scope, for all brand flying being done by one pilot group with no outsourcing.

How did DALPA throw you to the alligators?

 

[jppt2000]

You're still not clear. The article you posted made a very strong argument for scope, for all brand flying being done by one pilot group with no outsourcing.

How did DALPA throw you to the alligators?

I'll bite if you forgive the pun,
by refusing to mitigate the huge threat of operational control of mainline flying handed over to DCI subcontractors.

Genie is out of the bottle now.
Maybe Gen Lee has a plan.

 

[planejockey]

Paul, all I am saying is that WE (atleast I am) are looking to you guys (mainline pilots) to fix the issue of scope. I just want DALPA, UA ALPA, and especially CAL ALPA since they are in contract negotiations to offer the plan. What is the worst that can happen? the company says no and they put up a stink. The best that comes out of it is that you allow CAL to fly an E170/190 by your pilots with maybe like JB wages. You can put in a stipulation that says any exchange with a 737 route will ensure pay bump to 737 rate. In that case you stop the company from dwindling the 73s and replace them with the 190s.
It is a win win for both the company and the pilots. The company gets its smaller cabin you solve the scope issue. I know my plan is not perfect but all I am saying is offer a different plan as the current one is set up for the demise of mainline pilots and to an extent the better regionals.

 

[cmrflyer]

While I was in JFK over the weekend, I saw a British Airways Airbus 319.

It was a 318.

The idea that alpa puts out about foreign pilots coming over here to work for sub standard wages is a joke. Firstly they would need greencards, and secondly we are the lowest paid pilots in the world. Why do you think so many americans have gone overseas in the last few yars to fly? Its not because they want to, its because thats where the money is.