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Superpilot92

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FROM BOMBARDIER AFTER THE C-SERIES ORDER FROM RAH.

THEY ARE OPENLY BANKING ON US CONTINUING SCOPE GIVEAWAYS. IF IT SAYS DELTA, UAL, USAIR, CAL, AA, ETC ON THE SIDE IT NEEDS
TO BE THOSE PILOTS BEHIND THE CONTROLS.

THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK ON OUR FUTURES AND CAREERS AND NOW'S THE TIME TO SHUT SCOPE GIVEAWAYS DOWN FOR GOOD.

<b>http://www.bombardier.com/files/en/supporting_docs/BCA_2009_Market_Forecast.pdf</b>

While the rate of
capacity reductions is expected
to slow, US mainline carriers will
continue to remove older aircraft
from their fleets. Scope clauses
will be challenged as mainline
carriers continue to look for more
optimization opportunities through
regional carrier outsourcing.

An important component of
mainline carrier crew labour
agreements are scope clauses.
These negotiated clauses define
restrictions on the type, number
and size of aircraft that may be
flown by regional airline partners.
Scope clauses are found in both
the US and Europe, but are most
restrictive in the US. Historically,
scope clauses have been a
barrier to outsourcing. However,
scope clauses are considerably
less restrictive than they were
historically, and are permitting
regional carriers to fly more
and larger regional aircraft.

It is
predicted that over the next 20
years, scopes clauses will evolve,
permitting 100-seat aircraft to be
flown by regional carriers, and
play a central role in reshaping the
makeup of the industry.

The mix of the deliveries, 5,800
turboprops and jets in total, will
be strongly influenced by mainline
carrier scope clauses as they
evolve to permit improved network
capacity optimization. On a cost
basis, regional airlines operating
large regional aircraft have proven
to be very competitive even
compared to LFCs flying larger
narrow body aircraft.

(LFC = Low Fare Carrier = Southwest)
 
Republic, the new leader in the race for the bottom!! Problem is the pilots of Republic will still fly them in essence supporting the downhill slide of their own careers and behind them are a bunch of eager young pilots that don't care about making a living just how cool they look pretending like they are (making a living).
 
Or maybe they will be flown by guys just like you at the beginning of your career, just looking to get their foot in the door. If you want to protect the profession, start with scope clauses. When those are locked up you can start working on changing human nature.
 
I thought under DALPA CBA this aircraft is a non permitted type aircraft. If so then does Republic lose it's code share with DAL? If not, then why not?
 
2015

I thought under DALPA CBA this aircraft is a non permitted type aircraft. If so then does Republic lose it's code share with DAL? If not, then why not?

Well first delivery isn't till 2015, lots of things can happen by then.....
 
But RJET is operating E190s and Airbus' too.

So what is up with DALPA?


They are operating them on a separate certificate (Republic.... DAL outsourcing is on Shuttle America and Shaniqua), thus not "competing." What they are doing is legal.

Doesn't change that DAL has zero intentions of renewing their contract.
 
You definately need to take this up, with bigger font, to the Delta MEC in 1993.


Crying over spilled milk is fun, isn't it?

What's done has long since been done before most of us on here were even in this industry. This issue now is correcting it...
 
Doesn't change that DAL has zero intentions of renewing their contract.

Have you seen anything official stating Delta has "zero intentions..."? I hope you're right, but....
 
Its time for ALPA and IBT to say enough and have their MECs refuse to fly these airplanes painted in mailine colors but flown by contract pilots. .....also its time for the pilots at these regionals to refuse to fly them.
 
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They are operating them on a separate certificate (Republic.... DAL outsourcing is on Shuttle America and Shaniqua), thus not "competing." What they are doing is legal.

Doesn't change that DAL has zero intentions of renewing their contract.

Yet Midwest flys code share from MKE to ATL on a 190 got around scope again
 
Yet Midwest flys code share from MKE to ATL on a 190 got around scope again

any flight from MKE to ATL would be only YX passengers and -0- delta codeshared passengers. Our scope allows them to code their passengers onto our flights but the same cant happen with our passengers on them. Therefore they're not getting around our scope.
 
Hi!

While I think this is not the greatest thing in the world, what with Republic's "Code Share" getting around some scope restrictions, what is worse is TSA's purchase of MRJs. They ONLY fly feed. So, what are they going to do with their MRJs?????????

cliff
NBO
 
I thought under DALPA CBA this aircraft is a non permitted type aircraft. If so then does Republic lose it's code share with DAL? If not, then why not?


The CBA is by Operating Certificate. All Republic has to do is fly it on the Frontier Certificate and there is not a bloody thing that the DAL pilots can do.

Of note this would have been a issues a few years ago, but the language was changed. Most know the reason why.
 
Have you seen anything official stating Delta has "zero intentions..."? I hope you're right, but....


He is correct. He stated that. What republic has done has not left the execs at DAL very happy. In the end it is one more compitior.

It all adds up when you see that TPG was supporting AMR with JAL. The dots connect.
 

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