I'm a Lynx Pilot and I'm working for a screwed Regional for a LCC Regional Airline.

[Skyboy722]

but lets not forget it stated that if we took a carrier with a regional, then it came with and would not be grown.

Actually, it never said it could not be grown...

 

[StaySeated]

Stay, I respectfully disagree. The previous TA1 specifically had regional language in it for the purpose of putting Lynx onto property. It's all ancient history, yes, but lets not forget it stated that if we took a carrier with a regional, then it came with and would not be grown.

It was specifically removed for TA2 as a result of F9 not going through.

Have you also forgotten Carl's letter regarding the start of opening discussions with Lynx?

I have read a number of "Carl's Letters". If he is good at one thing, it is definitely poetry vs prose.

Allow me to ask you this. If excess FAPA pilots were to be represented by FAPA, who was going to represent the excess Lynx pilots?

Gup, you still owe me many beers.

 

[GuppyWN]

Yes I do.

I'm not sure what you mean by "excess" FAPA pilots and Lynx pilots. Every pilot employed by that airline on Tower Road, even the furloughed ones, would have been Southwest Airlines pilots. It's just that simple.

Gup

 

[Dude]

SWAPA would've gladly represented the Lynx guys.....you too for that matter, but you didn't seem that eager to be part of our family. Let me know how Bedford's promises work out for ya.

Sorry Lynx dude.

 

[GFunk20]

Actually, it never said it could not be grown...

Not true. Although I can't find a copy of TA1...

"There have also been some questions about the language concerning the exception about the Company buying a carrier with a RJ codeshare contract in place. This exception was given for a specific situation concerning a potential acquisition by Southwest as a condition of sale for that carrier. The Company agreed that the codeshare would not be expanded or continued beyond the codeshare contract expiration date with the RJ carrier. "

 

[StopNTSing]

I have read a number of "Carl's Letters". If he is good at one thing, it is definitely poetry vs prose.

That's interesting, because I haven't been able to read any of John Stemmler's letters. Do any even exist? Ever since last summer, you have been one of the loudest voices howling that SWAPA's version of who did what to who was pure fiction. And despite repeated requests, you have yet to provide any source for your version of events....other than your own keyboard.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

That's interesting, because I haven't been able to read any of John Stemmler's letters. Do any even exist? Ever since last summer, you have been one of the loudest voices howling that SWAPA's version of who did what to who was pure fiction. And despite repeated requests, you have yet to provide any source for your version of events....other than your own keyboard.

Yeah... what he said.

 

[waveflyer]

I have read a number of "Carl's Letters". If he is good at one thing, it is definitely poetry vs prose.

Allow me to ask you this. If excess FAPA pilots were to be represented by FAPA, who was going to represent the excess Lynx pilots?

Gup, you still owe me many beers.

the cynicism of this career is hard to shake. you just couldn't believe that SWA would take care of you.
you'll be ok- i don't feel sorry for airline pilots- but ... it was a really good opportunity that you worked against.

 

[mamba20]

Why doesn't Bedford buy Expressjet and put the airplanes in operation for CAL?

Don't speak of such things! We at CAL are going to do all we can to keep our flying where it belongs. IN HOUSE. They want to fly 170's and 190s over here at CAL thats fine. They can staff them with mainline pilots and pay mainline rates.

 

[GuppyWN]

That's interesting, because I haven't been able to read any of John Stemmler's letters.

Deleted.

 

[radarlove]

That's interesting, because I haven't been able to read any of John Stemmler's letters. Do any even exist? Ever since last summer, you have been one of the loudest voices howling that SWAPA's version of who did what to who was pure fiction. And despite repeated requests, you have yet to provide any source for your version of events....other than your own keyboard.

True 'dat.

Has Stemmler ever even written anything? What's FAPA's take on the Lynx thing? The Mx? Your CEO getting walking papers?

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Sad to see Lynx go. On the bright side though, Colgan is hiring and their pay is almost identical for the Q400.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Repeat after me......

Sean M. picked RAH, even IF F9 pilots accepted the fist, WN wasn't even seriously in the running by those who made the choice. Not FAPA, not SWAPA, . See Mo Garfinkle's quote......

 

[pipejockey]

Don't speak of such things! We at CAL are going to do all we can to keep our flying where it belongs. IN HOUSE. They want to fly 170's and 190s over here at CAL thats fine. They can staff them with mainline pilots and pay mainline rates.

Thus the reason mainline pilots will never get those planes on property and why this profession will never have a career path anymore. You need to do what it takes to get those planes on property. If it means flying them at current rj rates then so be it! Once they are on property, then with the next contract you can work to bring it more in line with mainline. But mainline guys will never take that difficult step, and do what it takes to get these 70-100 seaters on property because the military influence is too strong at every damn*d one of them. We just can't have a former military guy flying a jet with less than 100 seats at 20-40 grand for a few years. Yes, the pay is abominable, but these planes will then always be mainline's and the regionals will have to go back and do what regionals were supposed to do.....feed mainline from podunkville!

 

[aewanabe]

I agree with the sentiment but there is a ray of hope, Pipejockey. Here at JB the 190s were brought on at seriously crappy RJ rates in 2005, and plenty of mil dudes flew them here at the junk rates. Some are blue-juicers but most I've encountered have a great grasp of the industry issues and what we should be getting paid.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ironic that the only airline that would integrate regional pilots to their list is the only one that doesn't have regional feed. ALL of the airlines should integrate their regional pilots on mainlines seniority list. If you fly an AA, UAL, Delta passenger, you oughta be an AA, UAL, Delta pilot! Seems reasonable to me!

Tell you what.....you can integrate at the bottom.....DEAL?

 

[pipejockey]

Tell you what.....you can integrate at the bottom.....DEAL?

Well as far as the regional pilots go, then yes, they should be integrated at the bottom. A pure staple. Where do the major airlines hire from? The military and from the left seat of the regionals. So whether you are stapled or you have to go through the whole arduous interview process, you are still at the bottom. And I think probably 90% or more of regional pilots would be thrilled at a staple. It just these career RJ CA's that have been in the left seat for 15+ years that couldn't get hired at mainline that think they are owed something.

 

[pipejockey]

I agree with the sentiment but there is a ray of hope, Pipejockey. Here at JB the 190s were brought on at seriously crappy RJ rates in 2005, and plenty of mil dudes flew them here at the junk rates. Some are blue-juicers but most I've encountered have a great grasp of the industry issues and what we should be getting paid.

And the next regional that signs a contract ought to not even think about signing it unless their large RJ rates are at least equivalent to JB's. There is absolutely no excuse for anything other than that.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Where do the major airlines hire from? The military and from the left seat of the regionals.

Hey...hey...hey...let's not forget the corporate world.

 

[pipejockey]

Hey...hey...hey...let's not forget the corporate world.

Why in the h*ll would anyone want to leave the corporate world? Regional guys are leaving for corporate work all the time. I wish I could fall into a nice corporate gig where I could be treated with respect and be compensated commiserate with my experience.